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Old 10-10-2010, 03:29 AM   #1
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Debian Squeeze


Does anyone know when debian squeeze will be stable?
 
Old 10-10-2010, 03:43 AM   #2
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I bet in about January.

If it concerns you that much, you can install from todays squeeze installer and update regularly until it gets stable.
 
Old 10-10-2010, 09:03 AM   #3
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You might also think about whether you really want to run "stable". If you're not the sysadmin for a server with 500 clients you may find that "testing" is more suited to your needs. Its name notwithstanding, it is quite stable. I quite like the idea of a "rolling release" which does away with the jolts and trauma associated with new releases. Think about it.
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Old 10-10-2010, 11:47 AM   #4
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You might also think about whether you really want to run "stable". If you're not the sysadmin for a server with 500 clients you may find that "testing" is more suited to your needs. Its name notwithstanding, it is quite stable. I quite like the idea of a "rolling release" which does away with the jolts and trauma associated with new releases. Think about it.
ciao,
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Testing is NOT suited for production be it any number of users (or users without somewhat advanced Linux/Debian knowledge). It is a great version for someone who knows his way around Debian, but some quirks do happen here and there - i had problems with removeble media not mounting after updates, webcan working/not working and such. Not recommended to non technical users.
 
Old 10-10-2010, 01:08 PM   #5
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I am running Squeeze as a production OS and running boinc. Boinc will find a way to crash any system that is not stable if set to really crank the cpu(s).

My cpus are running at 99-100% all the time.

In the last week Squeeze seems to have become MUCH more stable. Some of the stability problems I am still having are probably due to my "improving" the system too.

I am trying to get a replacement for my current stable, secure "business" OS (Ubuntu 8.04) and a more "interesting" OS for daily use. I think that Squeeze will work very well, very soon for the "business" OS.

I will be sticking to testing for "interesting" and see how much I can crank it up with out breaking it.
 
Old 10-10-2010, 01:53 PM   #6
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Testing is NOT suited for production be it any number of users (or users without somewhat advanced Linux/Debian knowledge). It is a great version for someone who knows his way around Debian, but some quirks do happen here and there - i had problems with removeble media not mounting after updates, webcan working/not working and such. Not recommended to non technical users.
Well I'd say our experiences are radically different. Your comments are so vague and undocumented it's really hard to know what exactly you are talking about. The removable media and webcam issues may well be specific to you. I noticed that at some point there was a little notification window that informed me that I had plugged something in. If I clicked on the symbol to the right of the medium label e.g. 372.6 GiB external hard drive, it would mount it for me. Hardly rocket science. It is not clear either that those same "quirks" you mention wouldn't have occurred in the upgrading from one version of stable to the next. I've been using Debian for many years and I can't think of examples where running testing requires "somewhat advanced Linux/Debian knowledge)" that is not required by stable. I have routinely installed it for newbies and they have not manifested any difficulty whatsoever. I would expect the difference between testing and stable to involve the number of bugs in the software (few versus [almost] none) and not about the ease of use.
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Old 10-10-2010, 02:20 PM   #7
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Well I'd say our experiences are radically different. Your comments are so vague and undocumented it's really hard to know what exactly you are talking about. The removable media and webcam issues may well be specific to you. I noticed that at some point there was a little notification window that informed me that I had plugged something in. If I clicked on the symbol to the right of the medium label e.g. 372.6 GiB external hard drive, it would mount it for me. Hardly rocket science. It is not clear either that those same "quirks" you mention wouldn't have occurred in the upgrading from one version of stable to the next. I've been using Debian for many years and I can't think of examples where running testing requires "somewhat advanced Linux/Debian knowledge)" that is not required by stable. I have routinely installed it for newbies and they have not manifested any difficulty whatsoever. I would expect the difference between testing and stable to involve the number of bugs in the software (few versus [almost] none) and not about the ease of use.
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Well you said it yourself: used Debian for many years. Small issues are no big deals for you, in fact im sure you dont even record them as issues.
I had small quirks on all 3 computers i used just updating Squeeze, i did not upgrade anything (i am wary of upgrading since my Ubuntu days...) - like:
USB sticks mounting as root, USB floppy drive not being recognised correctly, Webcam worked a day and the other did not, screen would not turn off after the set period (not the screensaver, but the video card) and so on. I did solve all of them, and the solutions were not user friendly - once i had to install the upower package to have the power management work, i had to use the LD_PRELOAD workaround for Skype&Co (webcam), i had to dig in
/lib/udev/rules.d/80-udisks.rules to modify an id to make the USB floppy drive work. And some more like this. Not user friendly if you ask me.

And user friendly means that a 'user that never opened the "dreaded terminal" can do it' in my book.

I used Ubuntu for 2 or so years and Debian for about one year - there is no difference between them functionality-wise. But i feel Debian more stable. Testing is a great version, i use it too (Lenny is kinda old) and i will use testing after Squeeze will be stable.
But for my folks i installed Squeeze only after went into freeze and i wont upgrade to testing for them in the near future thats for sure.
 
Old 10-10-2010, 02:49 PM   #8
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Who really cares when Squeeze is released as 'stable'?

Debian sid ftw!

Nothing difficult about opening a terminal. If someone can't do basic things in a terminal then they shouldn't be using Linux.

Even Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS have info about doing things using CLI in their manual and wiki. And they are considered distros for newbies by most people.
 
Old 10-11-2010, 12:41 AM   #9
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Whether a non-server running newbie should start off with testing or stable is a question that is perhaps worthy of a "sticky" in the Debian forum. Here at LQ there are plenty of Debian veterans answering thousands newbie questions. I've answered a few myself and I cannot recall a single question whose answer would involve a newbie switching to stable from testing to solve a problem or because it was "easier". If you can think of examples, I'd like to see them.

When I was a newie (in the potato/woody days) I started off using stable because I didn't know any better. After 2 days I switched to testing and never switched back and never regretted my decision. I vowed I would advise newbies not to make the same mistake I did. This I have done and will continue to do so.

I agree totally with Craigevil's comment
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Who really cares when Squeeze is released as 'stable'?
I'm more interested in what the new testing will be called (it's Wheezy).
jdk
 
Old 10-12-2010, 08:52 AM   #10
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Thanks for your answers.
Well i am currently using slackware .
The reason that im using slackware now is that i want the programs i use to be very stable.
I don't care if its version is old as i am not experiencing problems and crashes with it.
Anyway ... the reason i asked when Debian Squeeze will be stable is that only Squeeze supports my drivers.
I will install many other distros until debian will release 6.0 stable version.
I am 100% sure that i will not find a distro better than it , and im sure for it because in my old pc ,
i used it for about 1 month after starting using linux and when i was sure for it i bought a new laptop...
 
Old 10-13-2010, 07:05 PM   #11
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In the last week Squeeze seems to have become MUCH more stable. Some of the stability problems I am still having are probably due to my "improving" the system too.
Why not use stable with backports and wait till squeeze makes it to stable status? I'm comfortable with testing for my own personal use but when you use it to run a business, things could get messy. Sure, it doesn't "break" as often as sid might, but fixes won't populate the repository for longer compared to fixes in sid.
 
Old 10-13-2010, 07:44 PM   #12
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Why not use stable with backports and wait till squeeze makes it to stable status? I'm comfortable with testing for my own personal use but when you use it to run a business, things could get messy. Sure, it doesn't "break" as often as sid might, but fixes won't populate the repository for longer compared to fixes in sid.
Actually in the last year Testing has broken more than sid.

If I wasn't happily running sid I would go with stable+backports.
 
Old 10-13-2010, 08:24 PM   #13
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Actually in the last year Testing has broken more than sid.
I'm afraid I wouldn't know any better, I'm not brave enough for sid.

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If I wasn't happily running sid I would go with stable+backports.
I think I will be moving from testing to a stable+backports configuration shortly. If it wasn't so close to squeeze time I would have done so already.
 
Old 10-13-2010, 09:42 PM   #14
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Why not use stable with backports and wait till squeeze makes it to stable status? I'm comfortable with testing for my own personal use but when you use it to run a business, things could get messy. Sure, it doesn't "break" as often as sid might, but fixes won't populate the repository for longer compared to fixes in sid.
It could very well be that it just likes my hardware. Might be very different for others.

That said, with my cpus running full blast because, of number crunching with boinc, running 2 windows of IW, 2 of Nautilus (home and root), gnome-alsamixer for my Audigy card, Rhythbox, and then some other apps at different time but the most taxing would be three terminals running remote update/upgrades on other installs on this box, I have completely failed to crash the bugger for a week.

Installed kernel 2.6.35 three days ago and it runs the same or maybe better.

The most stable install that I play with, besides this install of Squeeze, is Ubuntu 9.04. It is slower but unbreakable as well.

I need to replace Ubuntu Hardy as my business OS. That will be Squeeze unmodified or "improved" by me. I am sure that Squeeze will be the current release before that EOL of Hardy (11-04-10).

This install will stick, I think with "testing" and replace 9.04 as my regular use OS.

I think I am in love.
 
Old 10-14-2010, 12:20 AM   #15
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To each his/her own. I have 2 friends who run an internet/software shop with about a dozen public machines. They asked me to install linux on 2 of the older machines which on which windows had become unusable. I put Debian Testing on both of them and come into the shop once a week to update them. They have been running for 2 years now with no major problems (problems which cause downtime). As I mentioned before I haven't encountered serious difficulties on any of my own machines running testing and I do depend on them for my livelihood. More than this I cannot say.
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