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Old 12-10-2005, 03:48 PM   #1
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I use Ubuntu, and I actually need a better system. Originally I wanted Debian but I heard somewhere when you are dual booting it screws up a lot. But it's a risk i'm willing to take. I just want to know, since Ubuntu is a decendent, does Debian still use the sudo apt-get command and does it let you choose whether you want KDE/GNOME/ or any other WM?

Some packages I need is GCC, does Debian come with it preinstalled? Also, GIMP, GAIM, Open Offife?


I've heard of netinstall, and would that come with GCC preinstalled? Or would I just have to get the full ISO?

And can someone give me a link to a mirror, and which ISO files to install?

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Old 12-10-2005, 03:55 PM   #2
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I don't see why dual-booting would screw it up. Just don't install Windows after any Linux installations as Windows tends to overwrite the MBRs. Always install Windows first. I've myself dealt with 7-way multiboot installations and as long as one knows what one is doing that and much more is doable without harm. A simple dual boot with Windows and some Linux distribution is trivial as long as one installs Windows first and lets the Linux distro take responsibility of the boot loader.

Debian has the root account enabled, no need with that sudo stuff, just su to get root when you need to.
You can choose what you want, just don't select the "Desktop Environment" option during the second phase of the installation. If you select that you'll get the Gnome desktop environment + lotsa stuff. So don't select that if you don't want that, and instead pick and choose more finegrainedly, either with straight apt or with some frontend, e.g. aptitude or synaptic.

GCC is typically installed out of the box, but if it isn't due to some very mean and lean installation approach, just install it through apt.
Same goes for GIMP, Gaim and OpenOffice.org - just install them as you need them, they are just a simple apt-get install away...

The netinstall image is typically the best way to go. You'll get the same thing installed, the difference is just that you download only what you want/select when using the netinstall.
The full CD and DVD sets have their place too, but mostly for situations requiring installation with no Internet access available, and of those the two DVDs are much more preferrable over the fourteen CDs - which is quite an annoying disc juggling operation. And only the first disk of the CD/DVD sets are required, the contents are ordered so that the lower the disk number the more commonly required things are on them. But the netinstall image is typically the best way to go.

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Old 12-10-2005, 04:25 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Infernolinux
I use Ubuntu, and I actually need a better system.
You might mention what you are currently lacking or in need of, and in that way at least make sure that Debian would be a good match for your needs before you go through an install process.
 
Old 12-10-2005, 05:31 PM   #4
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You know, you don't necessarily have to dump Ubuntu to get something "better". Ubuntu, after all, is a Debian based distribution. Though you may run into packaging difficulties by mixing and matching repositories, to me, that's a risk worth taking, especially if you are considering running something else.

How about this: Multi-boot two instances of Ubuntu. Keep the one you have and create a second one. Enable every repository that they have disabled, then attempt to run the sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install for all the packages you are interested in. If you still can't locate them, add a few standard Debian repositories and repeat. Even if you do break it, you will still have the other "stable", but not 100% satisfactory system. Mess with one until you get it right, then try it on the other one. Always experiment with one, then upgrade both when things work out. That way, you can do it at little risk.

As far as multi booting, I recommend using GRUB as your boot loader at one of the Parted programs (GNU Parted, gparted, or Qtparted) to carve up and resize your disk partitions as needed.

Try using one or more of these repositories (or find a local mirror for one of them):

deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free
 
  


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