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Old 07-02-2012, 01:02 PM   #16
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I would go with debain any day for stability.
 
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:23 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by chiendarret
Ubuntu is a surrogate of Debian, i.e., it takes what has been done with Debian, adds a few bugs (or many, according to the mass of claims on internet) and lets be installed the Windows way.


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Funniest thing I've read all day: thanks.

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Maybe. That's one way of looking at it. Or maybe Ubuntu looks towards the future and more usability for the casual user, while Debian lags in the past, and puts philosophical purity ahead of usability and convenience.

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Old 07-02-2012, 01:34 PM   #18
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Howdy from the =Flyin' S's Ranch,

Maybe I cornfused the question some. What I'm looking for is
an easy to install, easy to set-up and use with Ham Radio proggies.

The ones I'm most interest in is the PSK (Phase Shift Keying) ones.
They use Morse code (DigiPan) or digital ssb (single-side band)
types of modulation. It's in someways like RTTY (Radio Teletype)
but at 64 cycles per second and above. I believe RTTY is sent at
88 cps. One of the good things about PSK is it has a check-sum
that checks to see if the message is correct and if not, resend it.

I was told to get Xbuntu 10.4 OR 10.10. Well, they ran out of
support, so it went to the 11 series then the 12 series. 12.4 of
Xbuntu or Ubuntu is supposed to be the latest. Then when I
wrote here I got other advice, like Debian and there not being
much difference than Xbuntu.

Now, as a , this is real confusing to me. I see
Debian Squeeze and a Debian 6, so again I'm stuck with which
is best and easiest.

I've tried to find a distro of Linux I could work with for over
10 years. The one I liked the most, Caldera 2.0(?) was great
until that iD10t, bought it and sued any and everybody for
theft of HIS software. (Curse of Abdulla - May the fleas of
a MILLION camels infest all the hairy places of his body
and his arms, legs, hands and toes shrivel to short to scratch.)

Another thing I'd like to do is to get pictures of Space, planets,
star clusters, galaxies, & on Earth, mountains, valleys, rivers,
streams, rock outcrops, & anything that does NOT show traces
of MAN ever having been there, LOL! I like to put music to
these pictures and make up personal screensavers in a movie
like, personal, thing.

Well, it's LUNCH-TIME here (after 12 Noon) and I'm hungry.

Respectfully submitted,
Regards,

Buck
If you want ease of use and good support, I'd suggest Ubuntu, Mint, or OpenSuse, with Fedora, Debian, and maybe Mandriva in the second tier, based on MY experience. Cutting edge (i.e. up-to-date) distros will always be less stable than something that's been tweaked for several years. Ubuntu 12.04 is a long-term support version that is supported for 5 years.
Perhaps you should research what programs you want to use before making a choice, and see if they even do what you want. Ubuntu has a couple morse programs in the software center, several PSK, several for HAM logging, and a couple for SDR radio. The selection is not going to be nearly as good as what you have in Windows, I'm afraid.
 
Old 07-02-2012, 05:45 PM   #19
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Or maybe Ubuntu looks towards the future and more usability for the casual user, while Debian lags in the past, and puts philosophical purity ahead of usability and convenience.
Usability like not being able to drag and drop anything to or from the left side of the screen when using LibreOffice, because clicking a mouse button brings up the big task bar that covers that side of the screen? Yes, very useful and convenient.
Or are you referring to the giant mobile telephone interface that requires navigating through three or four full-screen menus before finally getting to the desired application? Again, very usable and convenient.
Whether or not Ubuntu is looking to the future, depends on what kind of future one desires.
 
Old 07-02-2012, 06:21 PM   #20
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Maybe. That's one way of looking at it. Or maybe Ubuntu looks towards the future and more usability for the casual user, while Debian lags in the past, and puts philosophical purity ahead of usability and convenience.
Wow, two great laugh from one thread! Thanks.

Evo2.
 
Old 07-02-2012, 06:52 PM   #21
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Perhaps I should look at the buntu sub-forum, be "surprised" that buntu users like buntu, and post indignant responses, because those people do not prefer my distro.

Perhaps not. That would not be the adult thing to do.
 
Old 07-02-2012, 08:21 PM   #22
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Perhaps I should look at the buntu sub-forum, be "surprised" that buntu users like buntu, and post indignant responses, because those people do not prefer my distro.

Perhaps not. That would not be the adult thing to do.
We don't do that because we have nothing to prove. On the other hand buntu users are always trying to prove something. Not all but a lot them do.
 
Old 07-02-2012, 08:44 PM   #23
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Ubuntu uses the versions of programs that are available in Debian. While a Stable release of Debian may be as much as 2 years behind the current stable release of Ubuntu the Ubuntu versions (e.g. 10.04) that are built of Debian testing/Sid are pretty much the same, except for Ubuntu specific items, as the current Stable Debian.
Good point. I should have clarified that I was referring to stable and not testing.
 
Old 07-02-2012, 11:54 PM   #24
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Usability like not being able to drag and drop anything to or from the left side of the screen when using LibreOffice, because clicking a mouse button brings up the big task bar that covers that side of the screen? Yes, very useful and convenient.
Or are you referring to the giant mobile telephone interface that requires navigating through three or four full-screen menus before finally getting to the desired application? Again, very usable and convenient.
Whether or not Ubuntu is looking to the future, depends on what kind of future one desires.
I've never had that issue with drag and drop, not that I do it that much. As for the menus, you can pin your commonly used programs to the bar, and not have to wade through the menu, though I've not found it all that onerous.
 
Old 07-03-2012, 12:25 AM   #25
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A year ago, the launch bar could not be customised at all, other than removing the six icons allowed to be there. Apparently, Unity has made great strides in progress. In another few years, people may be allowed to add icons. Although the ridiculously large icons would soon fill the entire screen.
 
Old 07-03-2012, 04:04 AM   #26
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Another Debian vs 'buntu pissing contest in the making... take it to PM or the kiddies/fanboys forums please chaps...

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I wouldn't say it's the MOST stable but Debian's stable branch is certainly a contender for the title.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:57 AM   #27
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Another Debian vs 'buntu pissing contest in the making... take it to PM or the kiddies/fanboys forums please chaps...

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I wouldn't say it's the MOST stable but Debian's stable branch is certainly a contender for the title.


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Agreed but do have to admit Ubuntu has made good progress with Unity. I used it for a few days and found it usable. One major problem is the lack of menus for those things you seldom use. Unity is faster than Gnome 3 and Ubuntu loaded about the same time as my Sid install of KDE 4.8.

But this is all off topic and doesn't do the OP any good.
 
Old 07-03-2012, 10:23 AM   #28
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To the original question:
If you like Unity then probably stick with Ubuntu. It gets packages quicker than Debian Stable and there is plenty of help on the internet due to lots of users (true of Debian also though).
If you want a system that's less likely to break, but will lag behind on packages, then choose Debian Stable. Updates are a lot less likely to cause trouble, and as long you don't need the latest and greatest there is plenty of software available. Usually, having the latest version makes no difference and being stable is better but on the odd occasion packages in Debian Stable get old.
If Ubuntu from 2010 works for you though I'd guess there's a good chance the packages you want at the version you use are in Debian Stable, plus any patches.
As per above, using Debian for a PC may mean you have to add non-free and other repositories or may want deb.multimedia but a quick google or a quick search of, or question on here, will have you on your way.

I have to admit a dislike of Unity and some scepticism towards Ubuntu, so I'm not entirely impartial.
 
Old 07-03-2012, 02:15 PM   #29
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Perhaps I should look at the buntu sub-forum, be "surprised" that buntu users like buntu, and post indignant responses, because those people do not prefer my distro.

Perhaps not. That would not be the adult thing to do.
I note that Ubuntu is not mentioned as your distro.

As a long time Ubuntu dev release tester and Ubuntu user I can tell you that if you look at the Ubuntu Forums and have used them before that usage is down. Many Ubuntu users are leaving for other distros.

There is a reason for this. Ubuntu has, starting really with 10.04, done some really strange things with dependencies of packages. They are also continually removing configuration tools (Gnome is big on this too).

The testing community there has been gutted. Where in 10.04 we had somewhere in the area of 125 experienced testers, 12.04 had 12.

There are some very large problems there. Stepping on users right to free speech (it seems friendly criticism is against the rules now) is driving more away.

This is good for Linux Mint (Ubuntu respin) and Debian mainly but some other distros are benefitting too.

Linux Mint also puts out LMDE. Linux Mint Debian Edition. I have, as I said, tested several Ubuntu pre release OS's and used many released OS's. LMDE does a better job of taming the instability of Debian testing. It, like the Ubuntu LTS releases, is based on Debian testing. I am not particularly a fan of their package management system that allows LMDE to be so stable but I have it installed on here and it is very reliable and stable. More so than say 12.04.

I used to recommend Ubuntu to noobs. Now it is LMDE.

Personally, I use Debian testing, currently Wheezy as my production OS. Squeeze, Debian stable, on which 10.04 was based, is my secure install and no harder to set up than Ubuntu if you follow the advice on the sources.list thread on these forums;
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-list-330913/

The difficulty of setting up Debian compared to Ubuntu was much more true in the time of Ubuntu 8.04 and Lenny (Debian 5) than it is today.

When Wheezy is released it will be ahead of Ubuntu 12.04 as that is frozen to the packages in the Wheezy repo that were current when it was released.

All Ubuntu releases except the LTS releases are based on Debian Sid (Debian unstable). This makes them pretty up to date but not up to Sid as it continues on.

The Ubuntu definition of stable is conciderably different than the Debian definition. While 10.04 and Sqeeze will have a very similar end life date, Squeeze will be supported longer.

Wheezy will obviously be released later than 12.04. It will also be much more stable and have some newer packages.

I keep mentioning Ubuntu LTS because that is the Ubuntu stable release. Their regular releases are actually the preperation stage for the next LTS. Some of them are great. I particularly liked 9.04. This is why they are not supported for as long as the LTS.

Debian testing is "based" if you want to look at it that way on Sid too. Packages migrate there directly from Sid.

If you want cutting edge go with Sid and be careful. If you want stability go with Squeeze.

If you want uncertainty go with Ubuntu.

I will say that the last Ubuntu-testing release that I participated in testing was Xubuntu 12.04 and it, inspite of the "improvements" on Xfce by adding Gnome packages that make it harder to configure but add little except a larger base install size of about 20% over a Debian testing Xfce install (and Debian includes things like aptitude that Ubuntu removes), is a very nice OS.

The Ubuntu/Canonical thinking seems to be that what users want is the same lack of choice that they get with MS installs. This will make the transition easier I guess.

If someone is trying to switch from an OS that they are dissatisfidied with to something different, I think this approach is silly. Such people are obviously able and willing to learn something new and want something different.

Try not to be so defensive. You appear to like Ubuntu. Use it. This is Linux, it is your box and your choice.

The OP on this thread asked a question, in the Debian section, specifically about the relative stability of Debian releases due to confusion over the numerical designation and code name of Squeeze.

Folks are trying to explain what Debian means by stability and that Debian 6.anything is the same as Squeeze.

I am sure that the OP is perfectly able to go to any of the other distro areas of LQ and look into those distros with folks that use them.

Probably capable of even getting several Live CD/DVDs of several distros and trying them.

Many of the people that spend most of there time on LQ in the Debian section are ex Ubuntu users of long experience. Due to starting with Ubuntu and getting tired of their treatment by Ubuntu they have decided to use the source of Ubuntu.

The LM forum is also full of ex Ubuntu users for similar reasons. I do not see the point of LM as it is a respin of Ubuntu which is a respin of Debian. A respin of a respin seems silly to me.

On of the best testers of Ubuntu dev releases in a pillar of the LMDE forum. Loves it. They do a great job.

One of the main differences between Ubuntu and LMDE is that if you decide that you are ready to actually control your own computer and maintain the real Debian, you can switch to the Debian repos and have full compatibility.

Do not try that with an Ubuntu install.
 
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I note that Ubuntu is not mentioned as your distro.
That is because Ubuntu was removed from my computer probably less than a week after the release of 11.04.
 
  


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