Debian Etch.
 

Ive been using sarge for a while now, and Ive used sid before but found it too unstable. Would it be a good idea to upgrade to Etch, or should I stick with sarge for a while?

Depends on how comfortable you are with fixing things ;-) If you're quite happy with sarge, stick with it. There shouldn't be too many problems, but what are you wanting to achieve from it? Is a good way to learn Debian though!

Re: Debian Etch.
 

I've been using Etch for a while now. It's quite stable (probably about as stable as any distro. other than debian). You can use the listbugs program and decide whether or not you wish to install a testing program that might have bugs. I would strongly recommend it especially if you are using it as a workstation so that you can keep up to date with more current applications and not just security updates.

Ok, thanks.

I've also used Sarge for a while. I've heard that "Etch" is just the new name for the "Testing" branch of Debian. In my apt-sources list, I still subscribe to "Testing" pools etc. In doing this I'm actually using Etch right. My system hasn't cringed a bit with weekly updates, and I do so enjoy the availability of _current_ software. The Testing Branch of Debian is wonderful no matter what we call it.



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Using Etch or Sid is one of those "if you have to ask if you should run it, then shouldn't run it" sort of things.
Browse and/or lurk on the debian user mailing list for a while. You'll know if you're up for it or not.

HTH

I have found that etch is really good. While Sarge is good also, etch offers things like xorg, gnome 2.10 and kernel 2.6.12. What kept me away from etch for a while was getting ati drivers set up.. but after some hardcore tweaking I got them to work.....(and have a quick guide now). I would say upgrade!

Etch is okay. Go for it

I run Etch, and just recently xorg upgraded from 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 to 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7. No biggie, you'd think. It borked my nvidia driver. No problem; I simply compiled a new module and all was well. You have to ask yourself, how comfortable are you with that?

how about the upgrade from Xfree to Xorg? any problems w/ it?

I switched to etch a few weeks ago, and have only had a few problems, such as kde-base and kde-kio-plugins won't upgrade because they require dbus-qt-1 and totem refuses to work, but I run it as a development server for testing my php based websites and it run's fine (has been on for 11 days, 10:02 now without any major hickups, and I only rebooted then for a kernel upgrade to 2.8.12-1)

moving to Etch
 

I updated my kid's machine last week to Etch. Their machine was fine under Sarge -- this is Debian we're talking about - but I wanted to use their box as a test box for the basis of writing a new tutorial for my site. See: http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/103/133/

Their hardware:
abit nf7-s, AMD athlon 2700+, gig of corsair value select, Geforce FX5500 (256MB), PATA drives...nothing fancy, obsolete or cutting edge, but custom nonetheless. Sound on the board, LAN as well.

Their desktop was installed from "base-config" so that gave them KDE and Gnome. I also installed a full complement of desktop apps for them including many games and other "edutainment" apps. THey also run the nvidia binary driver.

The upgrade took an hour because there was so much to download and install, and of course I did it the hard way -- by NOT upgrading their kernel first. When you upgrade, and there is no reason why you should not, I suggest that you do upgrade the kernel first - reboot, then remove the nvidia driver and any other kernel module drivers that you have installed...

Then change your sources.list file to use testing (etch) repos.

Then run:

# apt-get update
# apt-get dist-upgrade

I noticed no issues with Xorg, all hardware was fine, all apps were fine, the system runs just as well as it did with Sarge...it boots much faster.

There are many reasons why someone running Sarge might upgrade to Etch - but there are also many reasons to stay with Sarge. It's a fine distro -- no matter the dissenters and those that pronounce the archaic nature of Sarge...look at it this way -- XP came out in '01 - sarge came out June '05. The apps are a little old when stacked up against the nature of Linux app evolution - they may be a version or a couple point versions out of current, but taken in the XP context of the current state of THAT OS - duct-tape and paper clips - if you like SArge then stay with Sarge.

Unless, of course, you are bored with its outstanding stability. But, you'll get that with Etch as well.

If you're worried about upgrading to Etch at this point -- DON"T DO IT. Why do you run Linux anyway -- to be a slave to your machine like you were with Windows? In the case of Linux, you may just want to keep current - in the case of Windows you had no choice.

I've been running Etch on my box for about 7 months. Sure, as it is an evolving distro -- call it an OS - there have been times during those months that I had to either wait for updates, do without a program temporarily, or sit in my config seat. But if you ask my kids, who are quite savy, they will tell you that Etch rules and they never have to call me to bail or otherwise help them out. If you ask me I'll say the same.

Gnome 2.14 smokes and there are some advantages to the newer kernels -- but you can have this with Sarge as well. Etch has Beagle -- but other distros do as well, even though I would not recomend running them - Ubuntu included -- still feels like it doesn't exactly know what it's doing. BUt Beagle is not fully implemented yet and after running with it for some weeks, I'm here to tell you that it's not all it's cracked up to be. Locate, find, and grep still rule.

I could sit here and write for hours about the subtle and not so subtle changes from Sarge to Etch -- but you will see that for yourself.


But I know why you asked the question -- you need someone to tell you what to do -- right -- to reinforce what you want anyway --

Upgrade. Do it. Unless you don't even run a GUI -- then screw it -- not worth your time.

I've run into a problem with older games (SimCity 3000, Descent 3) not being able to run on Etch... It may only be a dependencies thing I haven't resolved yet... I'm investigating slowly.

Other than that, Etch rocks. It's the only distro I've been able to get wireless fully working on my laptop (with a rather in-elegant series of icon launched scripts).

If you're not sure whether you want to upgrade to Etch, don't. You should have some particular reason in mind for upgrading...otherwise, what's the point?

For me, I didn't upgrade to Etch--I just did clean installs. My reason for doing so was that Kaffeine was able to play more video formats, USB and optical disks automounted, and KDE3.5 handled those removeable drives in a "Windows-like" way.

It's always good to try something new and different. If you were going to stay with the same thing all of the time, and not be open minded, then you might as well be using Window's like the rest of them who are afraid of trying something different.