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Old 01-13-2014, 07:53 AM   #31
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I pretty much gave up on XFCE because the 32-bit version kept crashing X when logging out, restarting X and brought me back to the login screen each time when I wanted to either reboot or shutdown. This is a long-term problem (bug) going back several years, occurred with more than one Linux distro and it was apparently never fixed. Although on 64-bit, XFCE correctly shuts down.
Is there a bug report about this? Please post your source as I would like to know more.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 07:56 AM   #32
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Yes I dislike "full-featured" DEs, but that is irrelevant. If a GUI is slow because it is bloated, that is a functionality issue.
Please define 'slow' and 'bloated' to allow for more discussion please.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 08:53 AM   #33
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Please define 'slow' and 'bloated' to allow for more discussion please.
Here you can get a good idea about slow!

And here a very good idea about bloated!

And here the most known combination of both!!

Regards!!
 
Old 01-13-2014, 09:50 AM   #34
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I couldn't find those things in my kde install, maybe you could point them out for me?


Usually those people that talk about slow and bloated install openbox and then install and run a network manager, conky, wallpaper changer, clipboard, volume control applet, notification tool, automount utility, panel, power manager, etc...


In other words, they love to THINK they have somehow eliminated all the bloat when they have actually added more bloat than can be found in a tweaked install of a full desktop environment.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 10:22 AM   #35
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You really think that is good? Try that on this comp!!
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:55 AM   #36
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yea I have POS systems that would croak on it as well...not really relevant though....
 
Old 01-13-2014, 11:02 AM   #37
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I can't smell the stink. I clean my computers though.

Maybe a can of air and some Lysol?

Run what ya brung. I guess the worst thing someone can do to some people is offer free software to them.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 12:13 PM   #38
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I love all of them... some for old like JWM and for newer I like how bloatware rhymes with cycles to spare!
 
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Old 01-13-2014, 01:23 PM   #39
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I went from KDE4 to Fluxbox+Compton. I'm happy. I use XFCE4 on my laptop and it runs fine.
 
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I like all user environments, but I don't love any of them. I just keep switching environments to see which one bugs me the least. It seems xfce may win. Maybe. At least you can use single click on the desktop with 4.10. Now if the damn icons on the panel would be closer to the panel size. Not to mention those small ass icons for the windows buttons.
 
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Don't forget many are infinitely changeable. Plus, think about them opposed to microcoughed$ winblow$ or the ever out-dating ma¢$!
 
Old 01-13-2014, 04:34 PM   #42
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I like all user environments, but I don't love any of them. I just keep switching environments to see which one bugs me the least. It seems xfce may win. Maybe. At least you can use single click on the desktop with 4.10. Now if the damn icons on the panel would be closer to the panel size. Not to mention those small ass icons for the windows buttons.
I have switched to Xfce 4.10. I use a some custom icons because they are kind of fun to make.

The Icons can also be modified. If they are made to be 48x48 pixels they will fit to your panel (mine is 34 pixels because I can see things at that size).

I use .png files for the custom stuff. You will find many are .svg and Gimp doesn't deal with them but will convert them to .png.

Most of the provided Icons are actually of a size to fit your panel but the size is in the transparent section as you can see if you cursor over them on the panel. Crop the transparent and resize to the original size will make them a more appropriate size.

This works with any DE icons. I have no doubt that the Icon size is choosen for some good reason but I like them bigger.

I like the default size of the Desktop buttons but that is easy to change with Settings Manager>Desktop>Icons where you will find a setting for Icon Size set at 25 which you can change. There is an option for custom icon size but I have no idea how this is different from just changing the Icon Size setting.
 
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I have done that in KDE too, lets you drag an icon to any size kinda fun having huge clickables.
 
Old 01-14-2014, 04:52 AM   #44
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Usually those people that talk about slow and bloated install openbox and then install and run a network manager, conky, wallpaper changer, clipboard, volume control applet, notification tool, automount utility, panel, power manager, etc...


In other words, they love to THINK they have somehow eliminated all the bloat when they have actually added more bloat than can be found in a tweaked install of a full desktop environment.
Do you enjoy displaying your ignorance?
 
Old 01-14-2014, 08:46 AM   #45
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What ignorance? I should not of used the word "usually" as it most likely makes it a false statement. I wished I had used the word "some" instead.

If you google openbox and look at the images provided it is hard to find one without a bunch of 'extras' running. I do not see what 'bloat' is eliminated in those cases. It may still be less bloat, often with less functionality. Of course if you do not need/want that functionality then that is all well and good. But not much point in claiming something is bloated simply because you have removed features yet still use the same amount of memory/cpu resources to accomplish a task.

There are a few things about openbox that I do not care for but there is certainly nothing wrong with it. But I would think users would choose it to slim down rather than to bloat up their user environment. So if they want something slim then it would seem contradictory to turn around and install all the stuff that is missing from a non-slim desktop. Would it not?

I have seen numerous openbox setups that use more resources than my gnome/kde/etc desktop setups. It really blows my mind and makes no sense to me. And yes, some of those users are the ones I have seen talking about how bloated gnome/kde/etc are....

I also think some of the users of a 'heavy' openbox setup would find a xfce setup to provide the same or similar look along with more functionality and better integration...same resource usage too.

But that may just be me...

Oh and not to mention that regardless if your desktop uses 32mb at startup or 320mb at startup, once you open a full featured web browser and hit the web for a couple hours you will likely be using a gig of memory. So does a couple or even a couple hundred for a user environment even matter that much.

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