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frenchn00b 11-30-2009 10:49 PM

Debian & old pc: Can we PLEASE have a 2.4 series or best 2.4.31 kernel in BACKPORTS?
 
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frenchn00b 11-30-2009 10:52 PM

I do not understand. Is this 2.4 kernel new, somebdy thought about old pc?
before it wasnt there
shall I try it or better wait for 2.4.31?
I note there is not linux-headers 2.4

craigevil 11-30-2009 11:30 PM

2.4 was Sarge, even etch has 2.6.18. You might be able to use something like DSL. 2.4.18 was woody.
Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Kernels

How ancient is your system that you need a 2.4 kernel?

frenchn00b 11-30-2009 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by craigevil (Post 3775230)
2.4 was Sarge, even etch has 2.6.18. You might be able to use something like DSL. 2.4.18 was woody.
Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Kernels

How ancient is your system that you need a 2.4 kernel?

pentium 166MHZ wiht low memory 64MB

evo2 11-30-2009 11:48 PM

Your system is "old", but why do you want to use a 2.4 kernel?

Evo2.

frenchn00b 12-01-2009 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by evo2 (Post 3775249)
Your system is "old", but why do you want to use a 2.4 kernel?

Evo2.

2.6 is ultra slow. I tried

evo2 12-01-2009 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by frenchn00b (Post 3775300)
2.6 is ultra slow. I tried

How do you know that it is the kernel that is making your system slow?
What config options did you try when you built the the 2.6 kernel?

Have you tried building a 2.4 kernel yet?
Why do you think an older kernel will be faster? Or do you just want to check and see?

So many questions!

Cheers,

Evo2.

blufire 12-04-2009 02:27 AM

couldnt you try to re-compile with less modules if you think it is the kernel

jens 12-04-2009 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by frenchn00b (Post 3775300)
2.6 is ultra slow. I tried

What do you mean with "slow"? (64MB is more than enough for 2.6)
If it's the boot time, just recompile and disable everything you don't need with "menuconfig".

2.4 isn't supported in Lenny because it would break all applications using the epoll() call from a 2.6 kernel.

frenchn00b 01-05-2010 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jens (Post 3779435)
What do you mean with "slow"? (64MB is more than enough for 2.6)
If it's the boot time, just recompile and disable everything you don't need with "menuconfig".

2.4 isn't supported in Lenny because it would break all applications using the epoll() call from a 2.6 kernel.

It therefore means that to have a 2.4 kernel with squeeze it shall be own made distro or using woody (and its archive repositories).

If one install squeeze with the minimal (130mb-300mb) (no packages and no bin utils), could I take this squeeze install and build a 2.4.31 kernel (make) and then use the pc as normally apt-get install (if epoll() problem override)

Another point:
Slackware offers 2.4 kernels for the regular distro (the last one).
How can it be explained? What about the epol() issue of debian and why it is not the case for slackware. Those 2 distros are linux, and run same apps. Debian has more packages, and it could be great that backports help us for old pc if it is possible. I would rather have a debian testing with lower light-weight kernel rather than DSL woody, if possible.



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Originally Posted by frenchn00b View Post
but in terms of security holes, isnt it that risky to use distro with lower version of softwares? Like damn small linux, it is with a lower kernel, so more security holes... no? certainly that I will be wrong again ...
Sadly, I do agree with that
Small distributions with Linux 2.4 are not that actively maintained and do have more security issues.

jens 01-06-2010 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by frenchn00b (Post 3815720)
It therefore means that to have a 2.4 kernel with squeeze it shall be own made distro or using woody (and its archive repositories).

No. Linux 2.4 is supported till Etch.
All backports.org kernels will work fine for that.

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Originally Posted by frenchn00b (Post 3815720)
If one install squeeze with the minimal (130mb-300mb) (no packages and no bin utils), could I take this squeeze install and build a 2.4.31 kernel (make) and then use the pc as normally apt-get install (if epoll() problem override)

Yes. Only a few apps (mostly mysql and friends) use it.
Just avoid them or rebuild from source (src-deb).

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Originally Posted by frenchn00b (Post 3815720)
Another point:
Slackware offers 2.4 kernels for the regular distro (the last one).
How can it be explained?
What about the epol() issue of debian and why it is not the case for slackware. Those 2 distros are linux, and run same apps.

Do they?
If their binaries support epoll (as they should), they will break as well.
Most Slackware users use their own binaries.

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Originally Posted by frenchn00b (Post 3815720)
Debian has more packages, and it could be great that backports help us for old pc if it is possible. I would rather have a debian testing with lower light-weight kernel rather than DSL woody, if possible.

Backports is only for newer software and could already use some extra man-power for just that alone.
backports.org will never add packages (including linux) that could break a stable release.

Default kernels are always meant to suite as many people as possible.
Did you try stripping a 2.6 kernel? It shouldn't cause any problems and is probably even faster.

Your kernel shouldn't be your bottle-neck here...

mudangel 01-06-2010 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by frenchn00b (Post 3815720)
Another point:
Slackware offers 2.4 kernels for the regular distro (the last one).
How can it be explained?

Slackware hasn't used a 2.4 kernel since 11.0(~2006?); even that had a 2.6 kernel available.


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