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Old 03-30-2004, 11:20 AM   #16
MarcSant
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Ahhh.. Ok, Now is Working...

Someone told me that I must remove (forget) the word unstable.

Really TKS!

And I Using Kurumin Linux, that is basead on Knoppix that is Basead on Debian...

Almost all things that works on Debian works on this distro.

MarcSant.
 
Old 03-30-2004, 05:42 PM   #17
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I said that *I* forgot about the "unstable" bit when I first quoted the line to you.

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Old 03-31-2004, 06:38 AM   #18
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OK... Now, I can use the repository, but, KDE 3.2 is not selected for an upgrade.

My old version is 3.1.2, and now I have 3.1.5...

No pain, no gain.... More research, read the docs, find on internet...

Maybe here someone know How I can upgrade to Kde 3.2.

Anyway, tks for everybody.

MarcSant.
 
Old 03-31-2004, 07:50 AM   #19
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It'll probably be in experimental. Add another line to you sources.list exactly the same as the above one but change "unstable" to "experimental". Don't replace the line just add an extra one. Then put the following in /etc/apt/preferences:
Code:
Package: *
Pin: release a=experimental,s=x11
Pin-Priority: 995
Then you should be able to do an apt-get install kde/experimental.
 
Old 03-31-2004, 08:41 AM   #20
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KDE 3.2 is is 'Unstable' and has been since March 06 or there about. I was one of the first ones to grabbed it along with the pain ... just joking although you'll find quite a few of the menu entries messed up bad.

Marc and others who may be interested, I suggest why not download this package > netselect-apt and run it like this:

netselect-apt unstable

You'll see a flurry of activity and soon enough have servers optimally (based on speed and geographical location) selected for you and it'll create a sources.list in your current (NOT your /etc/apt/ directory) directory. What you can do next is replace your original sources.list with the one created by netselect-apt. Share with us the results.

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Old 03-31-2004, 06:57 PM   #21
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It's probably your mirror that's a little out of date. Find a new (additional) one from here.
 
Old 04-01-2004, 01:20 AM   #22
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Quote:
Originally posted by adz
It's probably your mirror that's a little out of date. Find a new (additional) one from here.
While choosing a mirror that seems reasonably near you from that list may sound the right thing to do, the nearest repository may NOT always be the FASTEST one. I live in Singapore, the local mirrors one at the National University of Singapore and the other one at mirror.averse.net are however NOT the FASTEST. Instead, it is one located half-way across the globe in Austria! Running 'netselect-apt unstable' is a better option. Just me 1 * 10^-99 cents.

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Old 04-01-2004, 10:52 AM   #23
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I can download the KDE packages from Debian, modifying the apt.conf, and change testing to unstable.

Next, I run:

apt-update, and
apt-upgrade.

And, after 1 hour (more or less) all packages had downloaded. But, when I input "startx" to start KDE, the KDE don't start.

The log show something related a "abtn2" does not found on libraries, or some like that.

I never think that is so dificult put a single update on machine, and, make a X enviroment unsable after this.

The things is only complicated on Debian, or there is another distro more simple?

My little project is very simple: I need only this:

- A firewall
- A proxy server
- A File Server

And, no much important, and mail server (sendmail, postfix, or other.)

That is. Let start again...

And, feel more pain...

MarcSant.
 
Old 04-01-2004, 11:52 AM   #24
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debian is not tough

you choose unstable but you new there was something called stable and good for newbies. You have kde,etc... postfix in stable and there are working well even if it is not the latest version. you could have use kde 2.X or use backports to get kde 3.2 and keep your system with the "stable" pin....

You want to play with unstable till experimental?you will have to get some skills quick or to find a decent way to downgrade soon. Sometimes packages can be broken for "SOME TIME" like in sid but it is still easier to fix them in sid than in experimental.

Don't tell you don't know the difference between stable, testing, unstable and experimental and that you didn't know that these words would expect some of your time debugging or finding dependencies or being at least used to debian??

if you want to run servers , you don't even need X unless you cannot do nothing without X, stable would have done the job., and i believe you even found a way have Xsessions all the time with root account...

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Old 04-01-2004, 02:11 PM   #25
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Look...

After I downloaded aprox. 140Mb of programs (apt-get update and apt-get upgrade), My KDE won't start anymore.

But, If I switch to FluxBox, the X interface loads fine.

After many testings, and seeking Why the KDE don't start, I give up.

But, the Fluxbox Is realy nice, fast, and very clean. Maybe in some future I Will use KDE again.

Now, I will put my old scripts back (samba, squid, iptables), and configure the system to load fluxbox, and follow you advice: download only stable packages, and no more "testing", "unstable", or something like that.

Maybe I will be more happy with this....

What do you think?

MarcSant.
 
Old 04-01-2004, 11:43 PM   #26
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if you are using unstable, don't messed up your system will old packages and all their dependencies(few MB and maybe you will be asked to remove some unstable packages).
But as soon as you'll get a stable system, don't apt-get dist-upgrade till you know a little bit more about debian.

Kde is working on sid/unstable, do a less /var/log/XFree86.0.log and check errors. Adapt your fonts, some directories or symlinks or some scripts according to the messages. If necessary download few packages from experimental to solve dependencies on broken/buggy packages.
 
Old 04-02-2004, 07:04 AM   #27
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Quote:
Originally posted by mrcheeks
debian is not tough

you choose unstable but you new there was something called stable and good for newbies. You have kde,etc... postfix in stable and there are working well even if it is not the latest version. you could have use kde 2.X or use backports to get kde 3.2 and keep your system with the "stable" pin....

You want to play with unstable till experimental?you will have to get some skills quick or to find a decent way to downgrade soon. Sometimes packages can be broken for "SOME TIME" like in sid but it is still easier to fix them in sid than in experimental.

Don't tell you don't know the difference between stable, testing, unstable and experimental and that you didn't know that these words would expect some of your time debugging or finding dependencies or being at least used to debian??

if you want to run servers , you don't even need X unless you cannot do nothing without X, stable would have done the job., and i believe you even found a way have Xsessions all the time with root account...
What's up with the elitist attitude? Just help the person, for Christ's Sakes! You're acting like the folks on #debian. It does _NO GOOD_ to tell someone who needs help, that he should have known this or that. If he wants a source for Sid, give it to him. Is it really that difficult to help someone?
 
Old 04-02-2004, 07:21 AM   #28
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Quote:
Originally posted by tremere
What's up with the elitist attitude? Just help the person, for Christ's Sakes! You're acting like the folks on #debian. It does _NO GOOD_ to tell someone who needs help, that he should have known this or that. If he wants a source for Sid, give it to him. Is it really that difficult to help someone?
mrcheeks has been a great source of help to many here already and that includes meself. There's nothing that I see that is 'elitist' in his reply. It is but a basic MUST know NOT to mix your packages UNLESS you know a thing or 2 about pinning. It is like you do not commit yourself to sign any tom, dick and harry piece of document presented to you WITHOUT first locating and reading the fine print and small italics. That is simply suicidal. We are all lazy at times. I'm like that as well and have folks coming up pretty politely in telling me to "RTFM". Hmmm maybe they could have been that bit more courteous e.g. instead of "RTFM", they can say "PRTFM". This is just how things go with Debian...it is a VOLUNTEER-based, NOT-For-Proft project. If you think that was elitist or sarcastic or whatever, you should really look at what Manoj and Gergely said about women in Debian...

Women In Debian
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/.../msg00132.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/.../msg00081.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/.../msg00059.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/.../msg00086.html


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