Can we install Debian, without partitioning Windows ?
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Yes, it is possible. The steps go something like this:
1. create a 'linux' directory in your WinDuhs partition
2. put a linux kernel and initrd into that directory
3. maybe create a giant file which will essentially be your /root partition in that directory
4. set up the bootloader; a modified version of 'lilo' should do - this way you don't depend on being able to understand the underlying filesystem to be able to find the kernel and initrd (compare with GRUB, which needs to know the file system to find things since it is a dynamic bootloader).
The 'initrd' will have to do some special things such as mount the WinDuhs partition somewhere, then use the loopback filesystem to mount the large file as 'root'. You need Linux and tools to prepare the final 'root' system though - but that's easy enough to do with a bootable CD.
Of course you can't get the job done following what I said here - this is just a basic outline, but what you're asking is definitely possible.
Yes, it is possible. The steps go something like this:
1. create a 'linux' directory in your WinDuhs partition
2. put a linux kernel and initrd into that directory
3. maybe create a giant file which will essentially be your /root partition in that directory
4. set up the bootloader; a modified version of 'lilo' should do - this way you don't depend on being able to understand the underlying filesystem to be able to find the kernel and initrd (compare with GRUB, which needs to know the file system to find things since it is a dynamic bootloader).
The 'initrd' will have to do some special things such as mount the WinDuhs partition somewhere, then use the loopback filesystem to mount the large file as 'root'. You need Linux and tools to prepare the final 'root' system though - but that's easy enough to do with a bootable CD.
Of course you can't get the job done following what I said here - this is just a basic outline, but what you're asking is definitely possible.
Looks not that complicated. The point is that the debian has to modify the files contained in the ntfs, itself !
Ntfs-3g I guess can do that.
Isnt like that work wubi-installer? I meant we could (or should) have that for Debian.
Goodbye-microsoft.com is debian, lot of luck! why not a wubi too for Debian ?
Lubi Installation Tutorial
A step-by-step tutorial showing how to easily install Ubuntu from any Linux distribution using Lubi, homepage at http://lubi.sourceforge.net/lubi.html no repartitioning, cd, or commands needed! The Lubi application and this tutorial video were both created by Geza Kovacs (tuxcantfly).
Yes, it is possible. The steps go something like this:
1. create a 'linux' directory in your WinDuhs partition
2. put a linux kernel and initrd into that directory
3. maybe create a giant file which will essentially be your /root partition in that directory
4. set up the bootloader; a modified version of 'lilo' should do - this way you don't depend on being able to understand the underlying filesystem to be able to find the kernel and initrd (compare with GRUB, which needs to know the file system to find things since it is a dynamic bootloader).
The 'initrd' will have to do some special things such as mount the WinDuhs partition somewhere, then use the loopback filesystem to mount the large file as 'root'. You need Linux and tools to prepare the final 'root' system though - but that's easy enough to do with a bootable CD.
Of course you can't get the job done following what I said here - this is just a basic outline, but what you're asking is definitely possible.
/root and / are 2 different things, /root is the $HOME for the root user, / is the top level directory in the FHS
Colinux is cygwin. This is not Debian, rather. thank you!
I meant that the debian partition is not a partition but into the windows ntfs one
hence you have a big mega partition: with windows and a folder/file where the debian is
CoLinux is not Cygwin. You can use Cygwin's Xserver with it, but CoLinux allows you to run Debian, or a few other distros, from Windows without rebooting. It's similar to virtualisation. See here for more details:
Thanks alot, I'll fix that typo ASAP, that theme is a dekorator theme I got of off kde-look.org, I forget what it was called exactly. Danshell is a shell, like bash
"Isnt like that work wubi-installer? I meant we could (or should) have that for Debian."
Yes, it would be very similar to 'wubi' except that I would recommend starting the install from a Linux CD rather than inside WinDuhs itself. The only problem is that some ancient computers will not boot from CDROM (but mostly computers over 10 years old). Come to think of it, there's no reason why Linux can't boot off the CDROM, load all tools necessary, then run an installer script that asks you which partition you want to install to and how much memory to take for the system image. This sounds to me like a mere week's work for someone who knows what they're doing; I wish I had a spare week. The ultimate solution of course is to keep a set of scripts that build this entire system from the current Debian archives. It can be a bare system with only network connectivity and the packaging tools. However, the maximum file size under NTFS depends on the version; the latest version allows enormous files, but earlier versions (if I remember correctly, including the one with the first release of XP) had a 2GB limit.
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