culaterout

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Found a real post on BSD and Linux....

This posted in 2002 so some of the cpu speed issues have gone away...

Now I used NetBSD back in 1996 when there Moto was be the most widely used BSD out there meaning it could run on just about any platform..

I'm not sure of the status of NetBSD to day if it can still run on a 286 or not... I hope no one has this machine...


This posting is also a slanted view...

Keep in mind they both use the same opensource data


Note: Some of the facts on this page comes from a post probably dated back in 1997 when it gets into hardware support. Keep in mind it shows some the history that the posters didn't explain behind all 3 of the BSD's. Dont get me wrong Linux had just as many problems with its updating packages back in the day... You use to use Freshmeat.net as your primary source for updating packages... Now all linux distro's keep a server to run there own package updates.. Mainly because the price of a hard drive has fallen drastically...


The link below shows the place of Linux on IBM on Unix Servers which was started in 1998 with its partnership to show full powered high scale servers from midrange to upper scale servers in Fortune 500 company's... Keep in mind that most major companies run blade servers not a tower format..

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/os/

Also you must remember Unix gave birth to AT&T and the small bell companies. Which now are in turn are larger then AT&T... Point in case Rocket357... Dad was one of the baby boomers that got on with AT&T back in 1980. My dad now works for QWest a smaller bell company. As he would explain... If you were to set up a network with a phone company you have to call telephone tech to work place to set up backend or backbone of the system weather it be fiber optics, dial up, satelite or cable solution... This is known as the median which the packet runs on... The protocol or set of standards which the packet is encrypted is what travels down the median to its final destination... Protocol is a piece of software that encrypts the data to remain secure.. Weather the protocol is PPP, CHAP, OPENSSH, HTTPS, SHTTP or other form of encryption...


Now the backbone of a server is usually hidden behind what is called a router ,but more specific it should be a Cisco router.. Now if your a Fortune 500 company they have usually Cisco routers in the price tag range of 50,000+ which means these routers have all sorts of functions that eliminate the need for so many server services such as Firewalls and Http servers... Some of the cisco routers come bundled with these services... Some of these Cisco routers have built in services to encrypt the package before it leaves the network or router...


Now for home use if I am worried about securing my transactions... I would ask why... There is enough redundancy from checking online bank statements to secured banking in case of fraud on your account to paying for secured servers with bank in case of fraud... Which is called Wallet Security for U.S Bank...

Also I don't send out data from my house that I would deem Confidential....

Seeing as how I have a top Secret security clearance form the US Coast Guard... Was a Telecommunication Specialist dealing with Radio, Satelite relay from ship to shore transmitions via a computer or voice relay... Dealing with encryption that is way out of your knowledge more then likely...

Now the point I was making about the link given to the User. Was not only was it slated view point, but gave a feeling of deception to the user.. I fully support BSD, but not with idea to deceive a unknown user.... Now I agree the overall architecture of BSD is more sound then Linux... But every linux distro comes with documentation. Also Security is a set of processes to secure data known as a Protocol of Procedures... If you can't remember the movie Pelican Brief you may want to watch it Starting Julia Roberts and Denzel Washington

By the way it would be a lot easier to go dumpster diving to find out our personnel information.....



From: Orlando Andico orly@mozcom.com
To: plug@lists.q-linux.com
Subject: Re: [plug] [OT] Your Thoughts on OpenBSD
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:59:47 +0800 (PHT)

[snip]

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Michael Balcos wrote:
..
> FreeBSD, for instance, is good for general TCP/IP purposes. NetBSD is
> for high security networking. I only know that OpenBSD exists, and I
> think it is meant for developing software solutions(not sure though).

No. FreeBSD goes for maximum performance and stability on x86.

OpenBSD is for paranoiac security.

NetBSD tries to be as portable as possible -- you can run it on a very
wide variety of machines.

..
> BSDs provide considerable better performance than Linux,

Wow. And where did you get this amazing fact?

The truth is, most people who've actually TESTED the two show that Linux
with a 2.4 kernel is just as fast or even faster than FreeBSD 4/5.
(Reference: a series of articles by Moshe Bar in Byte Magazine.) The
other BSDs lag FreeBSD in performance (e.g., OpenBSD isn't even SMP
capable).

Linux has about "a one year head start" on FreeBSD in the area of SMP
(quoting a FreeBSD kernel developer -- interview in KernelTrap) -- one
area where your "..considerable better performance.." is DEAD WRONG: put
Linux and FreeBSD on a quad-processor box and watch Linux run rings
around FreeBSD.

Basically:

1) use NetBSD if you have exotic hardware and want a BSD Unix

2) use Linux if you have exotic hardware and want Linux

3) use FreeBSD if you can spec your X86 hardware, you run fairly
standard apps (web server, email, etc..) and reliability/scaling is your
number one goal --

4) use OpenBSD if you must have absolutely the best security: but
prepare to be using old versions of everything

5) use Linux if you need something -- e.g. Oracle 8i/9i -- which is
unavailable on the other platforms

Basically what it means is, for most tasks I find Linux to be the best
fit. Sure, it doesn't have "years behind it" -- but FreeBSD for example
is not demonstrably faster; NetBSD is basically a curiosity, besides,
you can run Linux on everything from iPAQ to mainframe, which you CANNOT
say for NetBSD; and OpenBSD is for Theo and his zealots.

For desktop, the killer factor is drivers. And Linux leaves all the
other X86 Unixes behind by a mile.

rocket357

Show me a download for https. Again, you confuse the design with the implementation. Here is a "download" for https:

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2818.txt

If you can, please compile that file into machine code such that it runs on a computer processor.

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/protocol

If you look at the second definition (the Computer Science one), you'll note that protocol is defined as a set of rules or procedures. A set of rules or procedures can guide the programmer's coding, but it is not the code itself. Anyone with a 4 year computer science degree will know this.

Think of it like this: a protocol is a design. Say for instance I'm an architect, and I draw up a design for a building. Four contractors take my design and each one builds the design. Each building will be different in material, workmanship, and overall quality, but each is based on my design. The building itself is the software...the blueprint is NOT the software.

anomie

@culaterout: Thank you for finally contributing something worthwhile to the thread.

My only request is that you read up on bbcode, and start using quote/code/formatting tags, where appropriate. The different color and size fonts you're using make it a little hard to read.

culaterout

Yes Rocket357 I did catch myself sorry put down the wrong information about Protocol OOOPPPSSSSS...

I meant to say it is a Program or a set of steps to ensure security not a machine code OPPPSSSS...

rocket357

To answer the OP's original question about drivers, it's been my experience that driver availability isn't such a problem so much as driver performance (with respect to OpenBSD, at least). Since Theo et al (OpenBSD team) want to produce an OS that is usable for ANY reason, they can't include closed-source drivers (aside from the fact that you cannot audit closed source drivers for security issues). Open source drivers have, historically, performed much poorer than closed source alternatives, especially when it comes to video drivers.

So the question, then, is not one of driver availability but one of driver performance. You won't see gaming rigs built around OpenBSD (intel's cards now have direct rendering under OpenBSD, but it's light years behind a typical nvidia Linux or nvidia FreeBSD machine's performance). I guess it boils down to what you intend to use the machine for...if it's for gaming, OpenBSD is out of the question, but FreeBSD/Linux are not. If it's security you're after, mainstream Linux distros are out of the question, but hardened Linux, or OpenBSD, or even FreeBSD are not. If it's surfing the web, well, then any one of them will do and it's just a matter of personal preference.

girarde

The OpenBSD drivers will also be very well documented, since poor documentation in OpenBSD-land is treated as a bug in and of itself.