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I have yet to get it. It'll be at least two weeks, because hopefully we'll be able to pick it up on our way back to WY from a spring break in ME. My uncle being in NE, it's kind of on our way. Any suggestions as to what distro to use? It looks like Gentoo is compatable, and it looks like the debian port isn't 64-bit yet. I'd like 64-bit compatability, but I've never installed Gentoo before. Thoughts?
Personally I think AIX is far superior to Linux when it comes to changing low level parameters for your OS. There are a lot of things like LVM for example, where you can change it on the fly without having to unmount the partition, unlike in Linux. Many other cool things and yes, smitty is your friend in AIX.
I am running gentoo on x86, PPC, and sparc64 hardware. It is lovely. As for the install, it is not hard. Just read the guide. Do the install by ssh and you can even cut-and-paste. Gentoo has dropped support for the stage1 install these days, so you can get a working machine up and running fast (ie: no need to compile for hours).
As for dual boot, I am not sure. Yaboot is a bootloader that can dual boot but afaik it is only for apple hardware. There is another bootloader for IBM and Pegasos hardware but I can't recall the name just now.
In any event, I suggest by reading the gentoo install guide for your machine, I guess it would be PPC64? and just see if it is something you want to try.
I'll probably play with AIX for a while, but I'll probably ultimately remove AIX entirely, and just run linux. Unless a dualboot is possible, and I'll play w/ that a little bit. That was one of the barriers of installing Gentoo, the long compile time. I should be picking up the computer this week, so I'll be in this thread more often, maybe.
I'm pretty sure it's PPC64, which is another reason I was looking at gentoo. Debian's PPC64 port isn't fully there yet, it's being worked on, but I guess it's not up to snuff. Thanks.
I picked up the computer from my uncle the other day. I need to find a DVI to VGA converter,or stick another video card in this machine, before I'll be able to get it working. I decided I probably shouldn't leave AIX on, because it's got some stuff from my uncle's company that's none of my business, I'll probably play w/ AIX for about a week, and then I'll try the gentoo installation. It looks easier than it's made out to be. Thanks again, I'll report back when I get this working.
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I've obtained the DVI to VGA adaptor. When I try to boot AIX, I get the error code
and the machine restarts. The gentoo CD boots, but the video card isn't supported under linux, and the screen is very difficult to read. There is a way to get another video card, but it has to have the right firmware(on the video card) in order for the machine to recognize it. You need to be able to boot into AIX in order to flash the new video card. Can someone help me get AIX booting?
Last edited by microsoft/linux; 04-16-2006 at 03:15 PM.
I've also got a Model 170 44P. It works like a charm, it's a bit noisy but it's fine to run a desktop over XDMCP and have it on the end of a L2 switch, no K, V or M. CDE looks crap but it works and really it's the OS and apps that you're looking at, the rest is just eye candy (admit it ). I'm currently having to play around with the dtterm (default CDE terminal) to get it to play ball the way linux does, which is a pain but once you know, you don't forget.
I tried to install KDE and it worked...sorta. You don't get any of the benefits of KDE the way you do with Linux (like integration with the OS), so stick with CDE.
Most of the tools in the AIX Toolbox for Linux work fine, the only caveat would be GCC, where I had to manually download 3.3.x rather than 4.x due to some lib problems. Anyway 3.x installed fine, and I compiled bind9.3 no problem.
OpenSSH is still giving me some problems but that's OK, I'll get to it.
Echoing abyss, I seriously do not recommend trying to get linux running on this until IBM gives you something you can rely on. You're wasting the major benefits of the OS and hardware, which were built for each other. Get the experience with AIX, it will round out your Unix knowledge and make you better, period. That's what I'm doing anyway, feel free to tell me to bugger off!
As for your hardware error, get onto the IBM site and download the Service Manual for this model. The answer is there, it's a bit like when you started with linux and you feel a bit dumb, but I believe in putting yourself through the learning process. Ultimately, it makes you a better engineer.
well, the thing is, this machine was used in a production environment, and I don't know the user name or the password. I wasn't given installation media, so I can't just reinstall. Is that what the error code is? A hardware error? The only other error I mentioned above was the video, and that's not supported by linux. If I could get into AIX, I would by all means keep it for a while, and learn it. The only reason I'm not is because I can't get in, I don't think.
OK, I've searched my downloaded copy of the service manual for you
The system was unable to find an operating system on the device list that was attempted.
Use the System Management Services menus to modify the boot sequence (also known as boot list) to include devices that are known to contain a copy of the operating system. For example, select a hard disk known to have a copy of the operating system as the first and only device in the boot sequence (boot list) and attempt to boot again.
There's only one hard disk in it, and as I checked this thread, I was trying to discern the problem.
Maybe I was looking in the wrong place...but I was getting there Ok, I'll look at the boot list again, and see what the problem is. If there really is not OS on the HD, then I'm back to trying to find a video card.
After looking at the boot list, the HD isn't even recognized. I suppose it could be a hardware connection, especially since this computer rode in the car for 3 days straight. I'll have to check that tommorrow. This isn't gonna be fun if it's a bad HD
Last edited by microsoft/linux; 04-18-2006 at 11:39 PM.
Thinking back on my 44p setup, I thought of a couple more points that might help you.
1. My 44p had old microcode on the CD-ROM drive that prevented it from booting from AIX 5.x media. It came with 4.3.3 installed, but like yours, it was in production before and I wipeed and did a fresh install. The solution was to install 4.3.3 from media, update the microcode on the drive, and then boot from 5.x media and do an overwrite install.
2. The CD-ROM drive in my 44p still sometimes gives me trouble with burned CD media. For example, when I run ML (maintenance level - like a service pack) updates from IBM-supplied media, they work. But sometimes if I download updates and roast them onto CD, it won't read the disc. I have to mount somewhere else, and FTP the updates over. Our newer machines at work (and even some older ones like my 43p-150) don't have this problem.
Why am I telling you this? When you get your hands on some AIX media, try to get original IBM media. If you get burned copies, they may not work with that fickle CD-ROM drive.
on my 44p, i get to a white screen (kinda like a framebuffer), which informs me of the various stages of booting, then a black screen with the AIX-L logo (I'm running 5.1). Then the CDE prompt comes up, all in all in take about 3-5 minutes.
Have you let it sit there a good while?
Other than that, perhaps the next best thing is to get hold of some media from ebay, and have a crack at installing.