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I do not agree with your opinion, for I consider myself knowledgeable and I use Kubuntu.
I don't think we've ever met.
Originally Posted by dwhitney67
I also recall the days (back in 1997 timeframe) how much of a struggle it was to get Mandrake to work on a laptop. First it was getting the network adapter and the modem to work, then it was X11, and then finally the sound card. When I reflect back on those days, I tell myself what a bleedin' waste of time.
I don't remember it being all _that_ difficult. But then back in those days people who used computers also tended to be pretty technically savvy in general. I'm referencing Linux in general here and workstation rather than laptop installations. Hmmm... come to think about it, was Mandrake even born yet in 1997? Nope, looks like you had to wait until '98.
Originally Posted by dwhitney67
Later in time, when I doled around with building Cross-Compiled LFS, it was interesting, but another complete waste of my time.
I like folks like you... you are so desperate to prove that you know the guts of Linux inside and out, and you probably work endlessly as a debugger and tester of all the new "unproven" software out there for Linux users. Thanks for working for me... and for free, no less!
Sounds like you're getting personal now.... making character judgements, accusations, etc. I don't recall saying, or even intimating, I knew the guts of Linux inside and out. That's why I appreciate consistency and eschew distros that are fond of reinventing the wheel.
Originally Posted by dwhitney67
In days like today, I am content to know that I do not have to worry much about my Kubuntu system. It works without issue, and I can pretty much be assured that it will work tomorrow. I'm going off now to enjoy another beer... please feel free to go back to doing whatever it is you do.
The glitches I referenced were real world, from a large enterprise environment that had paid support from Canonical. That you haven't been bitten yet by poorly tested drivers that diverge from upstream doesn't mean that you won't.
Originally Posted by dwhitney67
P.S. Btw, this is my opinionated opinion!
And, like me, you're entitled to it. Sounds like in this case, at least, it's based on actual experience rather than soley on marketing spin or whatever happens to be trendy with the cool and hip crowd. I rather suspect that opinion may change after a wonky scsi driver pushed out to your lts box horks up all your data though. You are keeping backups, religiously, no??
Sorry bout the late reply; i don't frequent this board as often as i used to.
I wish people would stop saying Ubuntu is based off Debian. They are so far apart, they are practically their own distro. Mepis, Siduction, Snow Linux are all based off Debian. Ubuntu make most of their own packages.
Well, that was my recollection from the time: Shuttleworth dangling paychecks in front of Debian devs to entice them over. Linux distro timeline also seems to support Debian lineage:
Distribution: 12.04.2 have had rh9.0 checking now ,dsl,ubuntu, pclos, smoothwall3,fedora,mandravia,
Originally Posted by wayward4now
Maybe because enough old-hand-users remember the days when Suse/SCO would have shit all over and impoverish Linux?? So, it became ~anything but~ Suse, and later, to a lesser degree, anything but RedHat, who kicked their own small/private/freebie user base to the curb. So, Ubuntu was uniquely poised (and in the right place at the right time) to capture the hearts and minds of those desktop users, especially the newer ones, who didn't want nor care for "bleeding edge" of what became Fedora.
I was a very early adopter of Caldera and that was "THE DISTRO", in the hearts and minds of it's users. Later I did a stint in technical support at RedHat. Now, after using Ubuntu for awhile, I now run Debian with XFCE and prefer Debian on my headless cluster servers. Ubuntu is good for new users, which is a good thing. Debian is good too. At least neither is in bed with MicroSoft, which is more than I can say for Suse. https://www.moreinterop.com/
So, just maybe we "fanbois"/"noobs" have a grasp on the events of the past and make our decisions based purely on the facts, as we recall and see them. BTW, my first install was Slack, from a pile of floppies.
right on , RH al of a sudden wanted 125 a year [after i got comfortable using RH 9.0 ] , the other got scarred and got in bed with MSFT , , i did try PC linux 64 with my claw hammer and it worked , ,but was not intuitive and i never got on line , A whole slew worked but did not get me to the internet [ even today i still use win 98 SE , lol] but finally Ubuntu did work and connect and downloaded a working DVD player , I even got the total newb in this house on LTS 12.4.2 , HE LOVES IT ....no more hacks ,spam or intrusions in/on his computer .. I use a Lubuntu cd on that 98se comp when i need a socond comp while trading ... THEY WORK we the begginers have spoken ...
1) I'm dismissing Slack as an outlier. That's statistically speaking. Nothing to do with it's technical merit.
2) Number 1 most popular is Ubuntu with 24% of the vote.
3) Number 2 most populat is Debian, with 15% of the vote.
4) Number 3 most popular is Linux Mint, with 13% of the vote.
5) Then we have a big drop down to Archlinux in 4th place, with 6% of the vote.
Taken as a whole, Debian and it's grandchildren rake in 52% of the votes (not even normalizing for the Slack outlier).
No matter how you feel about Debian, they obviosly did something right. I think it has much to do with the fact that Debian is a true FOSS project. Someone mentioned RH screwing over the FOSS community when they broke out RHEL and Fedora, and started charging an arm and a leg for the former. Witness that Fedora, the flagship RH "FOSS" offering now trails the comparitively obscure Archlinux! Seems to have been a bad move on RH's part, at least w.r.t. mindshare.
Looking at "Server Distribution" polls we see a similar trend (once again removing Slack as an outlier). Debian comes in first. RHEL derivative CentOS is 2nd, with RHEL coming in at approx. half the CentOS number. Hence, I would postulate that this tends to confirm suspicions above.
Of course, an alternative hypothesis would be that RHEL targets enterprise users who're too busy, too expert, etc. to be playing around on LQ forums.
Nevertheless, I think it's an interesting analysis.
You can't please everyone. Nevertheless it points to a serious (public relations and technical) deficiency that Canonical must address. Unfortunately, based on anecdotal stories (including my own), Canonical is making this worse, not better. Overall, I have liked Ubuntu. I hope that one day Canonical will make make greater efforts to cooperate with the Linux community.[/QUOTE]
Exactly my point too. I made a living with Linux, working in the old Bob Young days at RedHat. I have used quite a few Distros in my time, but only ditched and wiped clean one when they totally jerked me off. I am an experienced Linux user who appreciates just being able to get work done, ergo I can be forgiving (as well as lazy) enough to stick with one distro. I used Ubuntu for a long long time, probably longer than I have used any other. But, when they started moderating the user list, I switched to Debian. They are good to me, and I appreciate that. Now, I'm getting work done without the drama. Thank God for Bruce Perens. He really got it right.
That is exactly the case. The distribution of the year should follow some specific criteria, like "for begginers", "old hardware", etc. My choice was focused for the general "day-by-day" activities: Linux Mint. Mint has the best match between "easy to use" with "estability" and "quality of resources". This does not mean that in the "Distrowatch Paradise" there is no other beatiful landscapes...
I'm using Linux Mint too, and don't like unity. Of cource, I've installed selinux, snort, wireshark, antivirus and openvpn on it.
First thing first : pacman. It is something that i waited for using linux (Slackware, Ubuntu with its clones (Mint, Kubuntu, Xbuntu, Lubuntu), Bodhi, Chakra, Sabayon etc). Pacman is one thing that made me switch from Ubuntu (that i really liked and used from 11.04 to 12.10). Also, wihile upgrading, while downloading pacman shows me "bar" with file being downloaded, and what's more - when there are several, dozens of packages in "package" i can select only the one that i want, not all of them (placing numbers). I haven't seen somethingf like this on other distros (that are not based on Arch).
Second thing is feeling that i have control over everything (just like in Slackware, when i used it, and still use it since 13.37). No matther how many apps i would like to install, i have total control over booting process, over starting them (i found on Ubuntu one funny thing: with lots of apps installed, system booted slower and slower, it looked to me like apps are being started automatically after installation when i did not wanted it or permitted it). If i activate process - it is avtivated. If i deactivate it - it is deactivated, switched off.
Third thing : it just fast and lightweight, so much that i can have it also on my Intel Atom notebook with Atom N2600 (two cores with HT and GMA 3600 graphic from PoverVR). It just fast, fast, and fast! Responsivness is great.
Fourth thing is realted to pacman. Arch is not based on metapackages. When i wan't to delete package, remove it, i can safely remove it with or without dependancies and config files. I'm not concerned that when i delete, remove something, i will lose half of the system (i still don't understand why removing Lightdm from Ubuntu cause LibreOffice apps to being removed with it...geez!).
Arch is distro that i searched for a long time (i started my journey with Linux from Slackware, and in fact, i still have it, still like it but i wanted to have better package manager - pacman is just great, i don't have it on Slackware - and one more thing, Arch has good dependancy menager built in pacman. Maybe if i could how to do something similar on Slackware (slackpkg was not just like it) i would stick to it because it is really fast, and something more - rock solid and stable, but it has no dependancy manager so if i would like to install it again, on a different machines, installing apps that i use would take too much time: dependancies for dependancies for dependancies...i don't have time to compile it from slackbuilds.org). What is worth mentioning, now there is something similar to Arch - Manjaro and Anteregos , tried it but i prefer Arch because it is Arch.
I must however make a remark. On desktops it is my choice because I also use it for servers, so maint is much easier. "zypper" rules and makes administration over ssh a breeze. I have done admin on quite a few distributions the past year, and I most hate Ubuntu, because there is no *single* command line utility for system administration and one has to learn a lot of those. All instructions on the internet start with "click her" and "click there": quite useless in xterm over ssh.
For a laptop, I still do not really like the way KDE (OpenSUSE's default choice for WM and I like that) now prefers kscreen over krandr/krandrtray. I don't know who to blame SUSE or KDE, but connecting to a beamer suddenly becomes quite a burden. No popups, nu easy applets in the taskbar. OpenSUSE 12 already was pretty easy in the upgrades/updates, but a "zypper dup" to 13.1 went flawless!
A special reward for "Worst distribution" IMHO may be awarded to "Oracle Linux" on which even installing a recentish java is hard to do, even if java is distributed by Oracle itself. HATE!
I prepare to install it on workation, and Ubuntu or Arch on laptop.