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View Poll Results: Browser of the Year
Firefox 489 55.57%
Chrome 184 20.91%
Konqueror 9 1.02%
Opera 88 10.00%
SeaMonkey 21 2.39%
Flock 0 0%
Midori 11 1.25%
w3m 5 0.57%
Chromium 64 7.27%
Epiphany 2 0.23%
links/elinks 4 0.45%
lynx 3 0.34%
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:10 PM   #181
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mryuck View Post
Its things like this
http://www.itworld.com/internet/1078...-conversations

Having the ability to edit the chromium source is hardly restitution for this.
Thats only one example of their awful privacy practices.

If Microsoft made an alternative to IE open, would you suddenly support Microsoft?
You may be the first person I've noticed to cite something specific they dislike about Google, at least in a forum post. Mostly I see vague accusations of privacy problems. I could be missing something, but some reasons why I don't care about that particular issue/article:
  • Note the words from the blog publicly broadcast, unencrypted WiFi networks.
  • Experimental/prototype code being included in production systems is not really surprising.
  • Do you feel "galled" by the statement about unencrypted wireless networks? I find it accurate. If you do find it "galling," go pick an uncommon SSID and a good password now. How about the statements in Google's blog right after that about encrypting Gmail and offering encrypted searches? I see this as a good thing.

I don't think any less of Google after that issue. I think their large contributions to the open source community are more than restitution for a small mistake.

Reasons why the paranoia doesn't apply to a browser:
  • Chromium is not wardriving.
  • Worried about cookies? A cool thing in Chromium is you can block all cookies. When you get to a site like LQ where you need one, click that cookie in the URL bar. It lets you change settings on cookies that specifically relate to whichever page is currently in focus. This is something I've wanted in other browsers for a long time.
  • Open source. Go look at the code before compiling it if you don't trust it.
  • Chromium is still not wardriving.

With Microsoft, I dislike DirectX, NTFS, various pieces of software without open file formats, and when Intellisense screws up while I'm trying to get work done, but I still keep one of their mice around as a spare. You don't have to like a company to like or use their product.

The arguments I've seen against Google have seemed mostly like speculation or a lack of knowledge/experience. They do have good products that are free to use, some being open source. They have great programs like Summer of Code. They employ intelligent people like Guido van Rossum (and apparently let him hack on Python during work hours - see van Rossum's site). If Google is doing nefarious things, I would like to know, but until someone makes a convincing argument (i.e. hard evidence instead of speculation), I have more reason to respect and applaud Google than condemn them.
 
Old 03-20-2011, 02:54 PM   #182
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Like I said, that was one example.
If you park a car unlocked, in front of your house, does it mean you deserve to be robbed?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/g...passwords/7538

Thats a big mistake.

Or maybe their net neutrality compromise with verizon is reason to not trust google?
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/...ess/2010-08-09

I don't trust them.
And for me there is no separating the privacy violating google from the shiny happy foss google.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/21755..._with_nsa.html

I can't find any similar problems with other open source browsers or even Opera. In my estimation Chrome==Chromium.

Google quote from a ridiculous mental suffering lawsuit:
"Today's satellite-image technology means that...complete privacy does not exist,"
 
Old 03-20-2011, 04:47 PM   #183
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@anandkumar44:
Firefox the Best?
Look at this benchmark (Windows + Intel Q8300 + GeForce 8600 GS):
http://clients.futuremark.com/peacek...ction?key=5O90
All due respect, Slackynan, but it's a little silly to think that browsing speed is the only thing people care about. The poster you responded to said Firefox was the best, not that it was the fastest. I'm not so happy about Firefox 4, but I agree with him about Firefox 3. Chrome / Chromium is a little faster, but its Adblock extension is a joke, Noscript doesn't work the way it should, the last time I tried it they were still developing SkipScreen for Chromium, you couldn't delete a file from your history by simply pressing delete from the address bar. The only of my extensions that worked in Chromium was Read It Later. The way I see it, my web experience was very impoverished when I used Chromium even if it was faster than Firefox. Up to 3.x, Firefox is the best!
 
Old 03-21-2011, 01:45 AM   #184
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All due respect, Slackynan, but it's a little silly to think that browsing speed is the only thing people care about. The poster you responded to said Firefox was the best, not that it was the fastest. I'm not so happy about Firefox 4, but I agree with him about Firefox 3. Chrome / Chromium is a little faster, but its Adblock extension is a joke, Noscript doesn't work the way it should, the last time I tried it they were still developing SkipScreen for Chromium, you couldn't delete a file from your history by simply pressing delete from the address bar. The only of my extensions that worked in Chromium was Read It Later. The way I see it, my web experience was very impoverished when I used Chromium even if it was faster than Firefox. Up to 3.x, Firefox is the best!
A pair of years ago I had a small and slow PC: 1 GB of Ram and a Celeron 2.4GHZ.
My Slackware 12 went fine except in running Firefox: I hat to wait around 15/20 seconds before its start and it eated most of available RAM
Yes, you're right when you say that speed is not everything, but Chromium has made some progress.
First you can delete now history items just by pressing delete from the address bar.
Second you can develop your extension more easily and faster than in Firefox.
The extensions now are thousands and helpful.
How not to mention the fact that is (in the moment I'm writing) much more "Standard compliant" than Firefox?
Obviously I'm not into any holy war

Last edited by Slackyman; 03-21-2011 at 01:46 AM.
 
Old 03-22-2011, 11:51 PM   #185
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Firefox

Firefox is Best Browser
 
Old 03-29-2011, 06:29 PM   #186
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Epiphany is faster then Chrome in Debian Squeeze

I realized that Epiphany is faster and more efficient in launching heavy pages then Google Chrome, in Debian Squeeze, when I tried to load the MinyFarmer app of Orkut.
Nevertheless, Firefox has the best plugins and best support.
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I have been using Chrome because it is faster then Konqueror and Firefox.
Nevertheless, knowing that Epiphany is very fast, I have just installed and tested it, and I found it so quickly as Chrome. Chrome is not much stable, but I'm not sure that Epiphany is more stable then Chrome, because I have not used it from old, because of personal issues.
Firefox has the best support and plugins in Debian Lenny.
Konqueror, well, I like it for personal issues, but, as browser, it is not fast and has several problems of support and plugins.
I compared Chrome and Epiphany in Google search, Yahoo answers, and http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/french/lj/taxi/. This last requires flash, which run very well in both.
Thus, I point these three, Epiphany and Chrome as the fastest and Firefox as that which has the best plugins.

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Old 03-29-2011, 07:35 PM   #187
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I tried Firefox 4 in Slackware 13.37: is faster than Firefox 3, more Standard, nice and simple to use. I cannot see why many people dislike it.
 
Old 03-30-2011, 09:28 AM   #188
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Firefox is my browser of choice, but Chrome is definitely my browser of the year. Its very fast development pace drives web browser market the last year a lot IMHO.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 01:08 AM   #189
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Wink

Rekonq wasn't included in the poll even though both Chakra and Kubuntu 11.04 ship it. Works well on most sites, I like to use it, but currently has no extension support. If, I had a vote it would probably be Firefox for best, with Iron a close second. Uzbl is not included in the poll and would be the best that's neither Chromium based nor Gecko nor Opera. Uzbl should definitely be in the 2011 poll since it has a hard core following.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 01:22 AM   #190
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@cowlitzron: Just to be clear, Uzbl is webkit based, so whilst it is not "based on Chromium" it shares the majority of its rendering code.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 06:17 AM   #191
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To the best performance, instead of speedy browsing, I use Firefox

When I look for performance, instead of the speedy browsing, I use always Iceweasel, which is the Firefox.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 08:22 AM   #192
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People call a 1 GB, 2.4 Ghz machine slow???
I still have a "real" slow machine lying around - 256 MB RAM, P4 - 1.9 Ghz, with Win Xp SP1 on it since 6 years.
IE 7 sucks. FF 3.5.x is way better than IE. Chrome didn't even install, hah!
 
Old 06-10-2011, 08:54 AM   #193
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People call a 1 GB, 2.4 Ghz machine slow???
I still have a "real" slow machine lying around - 256 MB RAM, P4 - 1.9 Ghz, with Win Xp SP1 on it since 6 years.
IE 7 sucks. FF 3.5.x is way better than IE. Chrome didn't even install, hah!
I call 1GB 1GHz 2.4GHz P4s slow (and I own one). I'd also call a 2.4GHz 1GB (or less!) Athlon 64, well, if not 'fast' then at least 'faster'.

No offence PrinceSharma, but it really gets under my skin when people start going on about GHz. 2.4GHZ, by itself, means about as much as saying 'this much' and holding your arms apart.....

As for chrome, I tend to agree with mryuck. I can see the point that others have made (chromium is not chrome, "Chromium has no data-mining component", etc.). But to use mryucks words, "there are alternatives that aren't attached to a data mining company."

Besides the fact that I find googles whole 'smoke and mirrors' approach to open sourcing chromium and then calling the closed source chrome 'open source' because of its connection to chromium disgusting.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 10:26 AM   #194
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None taken sire.
And I too think the same about Ghz thingie, just had to give an example by mentioning one.
 
  


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