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View Poll Results: Server Distribution of the Year
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 89 12.26%
CentOS 108 14.88%
Ubuntu LTS 116 15.98%
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 34 4.68%
Gentoo 40 5.51%
Slackware 149 20.52%
Debian 186 25.62%
LFS 4 0.55%
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:18 AM   #46
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Cool


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Originally Posted by custangro View Post
I like Slackware...but I wouldn't run it on a server (I have installed it on my desktop once...very nice!!)

IMHO, a Server solution should come with support. So something like Ubuntu Server (supported by Canonical), Red Hat Enterprise Linux (supported by Red Hat), or SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (Supported By Novell).

CentOS is good for a development server (same goes with OpenSUSE), but other than than...I wouldn't recommend running your "bread and butter" on Slackware...

Sorry Slackers! But I have to agree with the guy who signs my checks!

-C
I thought i just vote for Slackware, maybe quoting someone that did too, but then i read this and reconsidered...

Yes, You have a point there:
I too would leave a commercial server "behind me",...

but,

I do work in a firm with a one single central server acting as a gateway for internet and LAN - it's on Slackware Since 2005.

It will stay Slackware as long as 1+1 equals 2

"Just works" on every day tasks

"Just works" on minor updates

"Just works" on major updates

"Just works" on hardware up-scaling

"Just works" on dirty hacks for new services and protocols (as the running software is nearly vanilla and patches cleanly)

And just keeps me "needed" and "unreplaceable" to a reasonable extent (I really don't ever push my luck)

How (and what) do You compare to that?

So it's Slackware.

And here on LQ, I allways get <48h -> solution anyway

:8-)
where were we?

Last edited by SCerovec; 01-28-2009 at 11:20 AM. Reason: typos...
 
Old 01-29-2009, 10:33 AM   #47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by custangro View Post
I like Slackware...but I wouldn't run it on a server (I have installed it on my desktop once...very nice!!)

IMHO, a Server solution should come with support. So something like Ubuntu Server (supported by Canonical), Red Hat Enterprise Linux (supported by Red Hat), or SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (Supported By Novell).

CentOS is good for a development server (same goes with OpenSUSE), but other than than...I wouldn't recommend running your "bread and butter" on Slackware...

Sorry Slackers! But I have to agree with the guy who signs my checks!

-C
lol!! The niavete!

I once worked at a shop where the _ALL_ of the RH linux boxes were hacked. Manwhile, _ALL_ of my FreeBSD boxes were impermeable to the same 'sploit.

Commercial support does NOT give you better support. Only somewhere else to point the finger when things go bad. Those who believe otherwise are only deluding themselves.
 
Old 01-29-2009, 12:57 PM   #48
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lol!! The niavete!

I once worked at a shop where the _ALL_ of the RH linux boxes were hacked. Manwhile, _ALL_ of my FreeBSD boxes were impermeable to the same 'sploit.

Commercial support does NOT give you better support. Only somewhere else to point the finger when things go bad. Those who believe otherwise are only deluding themselves.
Interesting; because my RHEL servers have never gotten hacked (**knocks on wood**).

Those servers probably got hacked because of poor system administration. It's been my experience that, not matter what system you are running (including Microsoft Servers); the system is only as secure as how you set it up.

It's foolish to think that one OS is more secure than another.

-C
 
Old 01-30-2009, 01:11 AM   #49
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Interesting; because my RHEL servers have never gotten hacked (**knocks on wood**).

Those servers probably got hacked because of poor system administration. It's been my experience that, not matter what system you are running (including Microsoft Servers); the system is only as secure as how you set it up.

It's foolish to think that one OS is more secure than another.

-C
lol.. the niavete raises it's head once again.... (nothing personal...>;-)

Some OS's _ARE_ most assuredly more secure than others, e.g. OpenBSD because they build it with security first and foremost in mind. Other OS's are based upon other priorities such as convenience first in mind, e.g. Windoze. Or if those examples don't float your boat substitute SELinux, TrustedBSD, etc. for default Mandrake, or whatever...

The important thing to remember is to choose the proper tool for the task at hand. There is no SAK and one size does not fit all.

fwiw, the RH incident I referenced was circa 96-97 and the RH admins definitely knew their stuff. No doubt Linux has come a long way since then but I could still cite several more RH horror stories at a couple Fortune 500 companies. Yeah, the shit did roll downhill and that's the value add that RH offers. That said, RH would be the LAST distro I'd use but your mileage may vary and this is the stuff of holy wars.
 
Old 01-30-2009, 11:22 AM   #50
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lol.. the niavete raises it's head once again.... (nothing personal...>;-)

Some OS's _ARE_ most assuredly more secure than others, e.g. OpenBSD because they build it with security first and foremost in mind. Other OS's are based upon other priorities such as convenience first in mind, e.g. Windoze. Or if those examples don't float your boat substitute SELinux, TrustedBSD, etc. for default Mandrake, or whatever...

The important thing to remember is to choose the proper tool for the task at hand. There is no SAK and one size does not fit all.

fwiw, the RH incident I referenced was circa 96-97 and the RH admins definitely knew their stuff. No doubt Linux has come a long way since then but I could still cite several more RH horror stories at a couple Fortune 500 companies. Yeah, the shit did roll downhill and that's the value add that RH offers. That said, RH would be the LAST distro I'd use but your mileage may vary and this is the stuff of holy wars.
I disagree.

We are running RHEL (Along with Sun Solaris) on our most critical servers; and the rest are a mix of CentOS/Opensolaris for development. We running Exchange and Active Directory; and we also have some MAC Servers in there too.

No Problems (**KNOCKS ON WOOD**).

I'm sorry but security is how you implement it; it's not in the OS.

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lol.. the niavete raises it's head once again.... (nothing personal...>;-)
Insults doesn't make your point any more valid.

-C
 
Old 01-30-2009, 11:32 AM   #51
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As well, this is not really the thread for this discussion. If you do want to discuss security of X over Y, it would be better to do it over in the Security forum. So far you've only offered a couple of anecdotal stories from 10 years ago and that is not really a good basis for a security policy.

The first "niavete" was excusable, but once you expanded on your point by saying you knew someone a long time ago who had a problem and it soured your whole experience, it tends to blow back on you. Seriously, you'll get a very focused discussion over in the Security forum.
 
Old 01-31-2009, 04:03 PM   #52
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My opinion is CentOS/RHEL should be one option. Although CentOS team is doing a great job, it's essentially based on RHEL. Finally voted CentOS.
 
Old 02-03-2009, 08:31 AM   #53
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Still Slackware,
cuz it works.
 
Old 02-03-2009, 05:21 PM   #54
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CentOS, CentOS, CentOS for server.

Does it all count matter? If it does just one more vote for CentOS!



for desktop Fedora.
 
Old 02-03-2009, 05:36 PM   #55
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On the fifth day, God created computing. But there was much apprehension therein, and a good many did know how best to run applications on their servers (which would frequently panic or core dump.) So on the sixth day, God created Debian, and he saw that it was good, and it was.

There is only one server operating system, and its name is called "Debian GNU/Linux."

Last edited by jhwilliams; 02-03-2009 at 05:38 PM.
 
Old 02-03-2009, 07:13 PM   #56
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just use Gentoo once, I am sure you cannot leave it
 
Old 02-03-2009, 07:45 PM   #57
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Ubuntu. Does everything I need it to do.
 
Old 02-04-2009, 07:06 AM   #58
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Talking

Red Hat Enterprise linux
 
Old 02-04-2009, 07:18 AM   #59
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Debian dude Debian

there is not other server than Debian do you know anything else
 
Old 02-06-2009, 09:25 AM   #60
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Voted for Debian, Slackware second.
 
  


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