See, this is the problem with apologists for Gnome - they can't think clearly. How is Kde more like Windows than Gnome or how is Gnome less like Windows than Kde? How is Gnome more like Kde than Windows? (Ambiguous questions, just to confuse the poor souls.)

My prime criterion is functionality. To me, eye candy is an eyesore. Xfce with some Kde apps IMO is the best solution to date.

Whatever, there is so much room for improvement with any Linux desktop. One day, I hope, someone with more vision than programmers seem to have will take charge of one and we'll see some real development.

That is absurd. Considering Ubuntu and Fedora, arguably two of the most popular distros, ship with Gnome. Not to mention that Debian, the "almighty" Linux distro, installs Gnome by default. Unless you have some sort of crystal ball or insider info that I am ignorant of, then I think that statement is ridiculous. I do not see Gnome losing its share of the desktop market anytime soon and I also believe the KDE vs. Gnome debate will rage on for a long time to come. I also believe what makes Linux such a wonderful thing is freedom of choice and this, in my opinion, is one of the things that keeps the open source community together. The day we lose our ability to fine tune our systems however we want, up to and including what environment we work in, is the day we all may as well just hand over our well earned money to Mr. Gates or Mr. Jobs.

Regards,
TuxSurfer

If my guess about the typical Debian user is accurate then the defaults don't really matter.

KDE in the latest version for OpenSUSE 10.2 (3.5.5) is a great environment to work with.

There are a few things which when improved to existing levels will make this really come into its own and really rock.

1. Beagle - takes too much of resources.
2. YAST Software management - better performance in 10.2 compared with 10.0 / 10.1 .

You are absolutely correct Tortanick, I just wanted to point out that Gnome is still widely used to the point of being the "default" choice and that Gnome would not be fading away anytime soon.

I run both KDE and Gnome, but, I prefer KDE. KDE shines on my Slackware boxes:-)

when will kde fade from the distant dreams of the real FLOSS users and revival of other better de's like GNOME,XFCE,enlightenement etc..
whatever when a windows user or whoever migrating to Linux or any Free *NIXens should must be ready to leave their habit of searching windows and windows like apps-that is why i called the windows ghost-kde is woeing the same windows lazy goers-again polluting the floss community.how?-a prominent KDE fanatic Mr.Linus himself is a gnome-basher-why do we need his suggestions?he himself is not a true FLOSS believer.GTK must be the future and GNOME too.i personally have no objections for other DE's like xfce etc getting a prominent postition in free software world.but not KDE,they are mixing the likes of windows users with a pure UNIX like environments i mean FreeBSD' or LInux etc.
KDE users can be adement and non -permissive fanatics.do ya all remember the gr8 gnome bashing service @ tuxmagazine.How bad i felt when i read its copies,frankly saying even had tears running on my face for this KDEism from their editor and mango parfait if you remember@.that's it KDE users can be as the same as fanatic windows users.FSF and its beleivers are in a huge loss with trolltech's fans.ZOMG i want a nirvana from this KDE thing...now with kde/qt ported to mac and win platform they may do what..who knows?
I suspects this is a start from trolltech to go into more restrictive ways with porting one's voluntered coded qt/kde into win32.
most windows users and devels are ppl who dont have respect for free software principles.so they dont care for what KDE/qt license stands for.
Windows users are such brain-washed that they think it is their privilage to run time-demos/sharewares.if something is coming for free they cant get it ::
please click the below google link before bashing me for telling the truths about KDE and QT.
http://www.google.co.in/search?q=GNO...ient=firefox-a

many times it would be better if people are just thinking in qt/gtk/x and there are more of this kind ... while the rest are just "gods" ... nothing much ...


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4 years with linux so far, mostly with KDE.

Occasional experiments with IceWM, XFCE, Blackbox etc, but I never really saw what's the point of using those unless you have a system with low resources.

I've recently started a "learn to like GNOME" project. As my main desktop needed a fresh install, I put Ubuntu on it. A few months have gone. I think GNOME is OK.

The things I like in GNOME are:
+ neat overall look
+ neat simple menus

Things I don't like in GNOME:
- File managing (I miss Konqueror's split screens especially)
- That CD burning program whateveritis.
- Had to install Kmail due to mail storage format, and damn it's slow in GNOME.
- Low configurability

My girlfriend who uses KDE on her laptop thinks GNOME is "weird". I think my overall judgement is finally tilted by file managing. That's what gives KDE the edge over GNOME.

The Desktop of the years is.......


~~--== KDE ==--~~


PS. Greetings to all KDE developers, testers, and anyone involved. You are a great bunch. Thanks for making computer use so fun for me! I will support you mentally each and every day. Keep hacking that damn thing!!

You can run K3B in Gnome. I did it when I did my 'learn to like gnome' stage. But I came back to KDE.

I think i've just become incredibly particular in the look and feel of my UI, and KDE happens to be the one that I can make do that easiest. Or, at least, the first one I got to do that. 'course, the fact it tends to look like Fluxbox is irrelevant...

I have before pondered on how dependent your choice of DE is on what's default on your first linux distro, but never had the resources to find out.

I have always like KDE, probably because of the Apps, Blue Theme(Blue Favorate color) and the eyecandy to wrap everything up.

I used Gnome on Ubuntu, and the theme board my eyes but Gnome does beat KDE on the perfomance side, but my machine can take some pain for me to run KDE.

Dude!!

It is readily apparent to me that YOU are the one doing the most bashing hereabouts, by several orders of magnitude. You also appear to have a hatred for those who do not share your OPINIONS on these matters, and rather than any actual intelligent discussion on the pros and cons of various DE's, resort instead to name calling and belittling. This reeks of immaturity to me. Moreover, I'll wager you yourself used to use Windows before you discovered FOSS (that's Free Open Source Software, btw. FLOSS is a dental hygiene product). So what if people come to *nix via Windows? The fact that they've done so should be applauded, not ridiculed.

If you want us to believe that Gnome shines, then perhaps you have some FACTS about technical advantages it may have over other DE's that you'd care to employ to support your conclusions. Otherwise, as you've so aptly demonstrated above, we're dealing with personal preferences and opinions, wh/while completely legitimate, is not justification for a religious war. That's exactly what a certain predatory business entity desires and a tactic not unfamiliar to them.

Peace out, bro

FLOSS = Free/Libre Open Source Software

No idea why people feel the need to put 'libre' into it - IME that's usually the one definition of 'free' that's interpreted correctly...

Please, don't start any kind of GNOME-KDE flamewar again, there are more than enough outside there. I've also found some websites that bash KDE. Many people also prefer Qt license GPL + QPL (me too), since it IMHO provides you the full freedom, you are given the freedom, but you also need to give freedom to others.

Gnome is getting better, but its far from perfect. KDE is pretty amazing stuff, I recommend it to all my computer illiterate friends and family, but its bulkiness out-weighs its user friendliness for me personally. Only other DE I've tried was XFCE, and to be honest, I am completely impressed with it. So I voted for XFCE.