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i thought it was well known you can write KDE apps with ruby, python and java, and that'll be even easier in KDE 4 as the javabindings will be officially supported from trolltech (so you can have corporate support if you want to pay for that), and most likely python and ruby will be community-supported. all apps will allow (if their devs want them to) scripting with each of these languages. let gnome beat that... Kubuntu uses several python applications, and some tools like Kommander allow writing graphical KDE apps in a mix of ANY language (including BASH) you want, which can be downloaded as one and it'll run on any KDE install (no compiling needed).
and again, as i said (and you first say you disagree, but then you tell me i'm right cus its the interface that has to be redesigned for KDE) its easier to make KDE easier than gnome more powerfull - writing a feature in a spagetti-like codebase (gnome's) is harder than putting it into an 'advanced options' tab in a config screen using a GUI app (KDE).
and i don't understand how you can say things like sound, drag'n'drop and mounting of devices works better in gnome... they adopted gstreamer (while it was extremely unstable, it still is if you use < 0.10) because esound sucked that hard; same with dbus (corba HAHAHAHA). arts (used by KDE) is after 3 years of almost no mantainment still as capable as gstreamer after 2 years of intensive development... when arts came out, it was meant as a cross-desktop sound server. it even depended on glibc (a gnome library!). still KDE choose to use it - but gnome didn't, afaik just because KDE did. and now everyone says KDE doesn't use gstreamer because it is a gnome technology.
well, KDE doesn't use it YET because it is
- UNSTABLE AS HELL, and because KDE is committed to STABILITY
- and they want older apps to work. if you wrote a KDE 3.0 app, it still works under KDE 3.5 - it wouldn't if they would remove arts, dcop etc etc. they will change technologie in 4.0, and use stuff only if it WORKS.
@raftysworld: i DO agree with NoWindowsInMyHome that gnome is generally a bit more usable (tough it imho misses some important functionallity and makes customization waaay to hard) than KDE. but I think KDE can catch up (and does) easilly in this regard, while he thinks that would be hard...
NoWindowsInMyHome: You're trolling, using blanket statements to represent every user. Gnome is not more usable than KDE for me. You can say all these things, but the truth is simply that you are stating an opinion as a fact, and it's rather annoying. When I was a n00b, the first DE i used was Gnome and I was immediately turned off, to be quite honest.
no trolling is coming from me.
and if you're an ordinary user, what are you doing here on this forum saying that "when i was a n00b"?
c'mon, what did gnome do, remove some options? remove some icons? and now it's more usable... wow, i'm impressed. hey, its the userinterface. i wouldn't say its very easy to make it usable, but it IS a point'n'click task, UI designer tools are kind'a easy. its much faster to redesign an userinterface than to redesign a whole application's design. for gnome to get faster and more flexibel (you say it is, but find me a developer that has seen both KDE and Gnome code and agrees with you), they have to do a lot more work.
gnome did a redesign after 2.0, kde can do it after 4.0. i just hope they don't dumb down their interface instead of making it easy to use as gnome did.
no trolling is coming from me.
and if you're an ordinary user, what are you doing here on this forum saying that "when i was a n00b"?
Back on topic...
@Superstoned: I don't agree, quite simply because it's those very functions that Gnome lacks that make KDE more usable to me. Gnome's interface is simpler... but that doesn't make it more usable, for me. Could be different on a user to user basis of course.
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