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View Poll Results: Graphics App of the Year
GIMP 730 62.02%
Scribus 46 3.91%
Blender 107 9.09%
Inkscape 139 11.81%
ImageMagick 38 3.23%
Tux Paint 12 1.02%
Kolourpaint 10 0.85%
Krita 95 8.07%
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Old 02-16-2006, 02:05 PM   #61
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Originally Posted by glebovitz
Have you ever tried to get rid of red eye on GIMP? What are these developers thinking?
I do it the same way I do it in Photoshop - forget the poorly-scripted utilities which are supposed to automate it, do a feathered select of the iris and pupil and either use colorise or saturation&hue to adjust it. No more red eye!

Last edited by KimVette; 02-16-2006 at 03:19 PM.
 
Old 02-16-2006, 02:42 PM   #62
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I'd go with Gimp. The learning curve is a bit steep and there is little documentation, but once learned, it is pretty intuitive.
 
Old 02-17-2006, 09:03 AM   #63
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Inkscape-it just does it's job. I think inkscape will continue to improve.

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Old 02-17-2006, 03:05 PM   #64
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Where is DigiKam?
 
Old 02-18-2006, 02:41 AM   #65
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Thumbs up Just GIMP it

I have to say the GIMP does nothing but get better. There seem to be a few others out there that might handle digital photos better, but GIMP is still great. A few hours into my first use of it, I found it actually fun to use. It does all the work! I have to give a big second to Tux Paint! Very simple, but very fun! Kids love it, so easy to make cool pictures.
 
Old 02-18-2006, 05:33 AM   #66
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GIMP now has a plugin that allows it to utilise photoshop plugins.


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Where is DigiKam?
its not listed because its not up to scratch.

Last edited by NoWindowsInMyHome; 02-18-2006 at 05:34 AM.
 
Old 02-19-2006, 12:11 AM   #67
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Even though I have already voted on this poll, I guess I would have to reformulate my vote as follows: GIMP for raster image manipulation, Inkscape for vector graphics. It has got to be THE SVG editor, as neither Corel's nor Adobe's SVG viewers/filters are as good as Inkscape's native SVG editing capabilities and nothing beats its XML editor!
 
Old 02-25-2006, 11:48 AM   #68
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GIMP is starting to show old age

The GIMP has numerous problems:
  • No CMYK
  • No 16-bit Channels
  • The gui can have too many windows to be managable
  • Slow
  • Lack of useful tools
  • Too many unuseful tools
  • Can be hard to use/navigate

It is a great program, but, in the past year, few moves have been made to fix GIMP's problems. makes Inkscape to "Graphics App of the Year"
 
Old 02-25-2006, 11:56 AM   #69
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Originally Posted by micahgeek
The GIMP has numerous problems:
  • No CMYK
  • No 16-bit Channels
  • The gui can have too many windows to be managable
  • Slow
  • Lack of useful tools
  • Too many unuseful tools
  • Can be hard to use/navigate

It is a great program, but, in the past year, few moves have been made to fix GIMP's problems. makes Inkscape to "Graphics App of the Year"
Didn't CinePaint (a GIMP derivative) aimed at tackling just those problems? At least it certainly did for CMYK and 16-bit channels support. As for the other problems you mention, I certainly don't see them... Granted, I never used (until I already used the GIMP) programs such as PaintShop Pro, or Photoshop. I felt exactly the opposite as many Photoshop users do when first using the GIMP being it odd in its menu layout and tool placement (just what many PS users say about the GIMP). I can certainly agree on the number of tools, but have you ever heard of scriptfu? There are a milliard of useful tools through these "plugins", and lets not forget the python ones too! So while it indeed lacks in some ways in a default installation, it can be extensible, which is amazing.

Nontheless, I also voted Inkscape, basically due to the incredible number of strides it has been doing to get more and more useful every day! Fellow designers say it has even influenced their way of drawing and style, as it allows some liberties that other programs (most notably they refer to Corel Draw, up to version 10) did not.
 
Old 02-26-2006, 09:48 AM   #70
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Unhappy Other points can be valid

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Originally Posted by Thetargos
Didn't CinePaint (a GIMP derivative) aimed at tackling just those problems? At least it certainly did for CMYK and 16-bit channels support. As for the other problems you mention, I certainly don't see them... Granted, I never used (until I already used the GIMP) programs such as PaintShop Pro, or Photoshop. I felt exactly the opposite as many Photoshop users do when first using the GIMP being it odd in its menu layout and tool placement (just what many PS users say about the GIMP). I can certainly agree on the number of tools, but have you ever heard of scriptfu? There are a milliard of useful tools through these "plugins", and lets not forget the python ones too! So while it indeed lacks in some ways in a default installation, it can be extensible, which is amazing.
I also agree that cinepaint has addessed some problems, but we are talking about the gimp here. The other issues:
  • The gui can have too many windows to be managable I am a graphics designer and tend to have lots of small graphics open at the same time. This makes the taskbar fill to twice its capacity even if gimp is on it's own desktop. I do not like to have to have gimp on a sepreate desktop, because I often have Firefox in the background
  • Slow A lot of the scripts and filters are slow and take a while to complete.
  • Lack of useful tools Red Eye Removal, Automatic Correction (color, exposure) are useful if you just want to make a couple of fast fixes on photos from your digital camera so you can print them on the spot.
  • Too many unuseful tools to navigate Half of the items in Script-Fu Filters and Animation are kind of repeditive, have confusing titles. I tend to stay away from those menues because they do not usually have what I am looking for. many of them are just effects that are only useful for 1:1000 or more uses.
  • Can be hard to use/navigate Partly for the reasons above, Color tools, a tool really useful for graphics and photos, is hidden in a couple submenus deep.
 
Old 02-26-2006, 11:17 AM   #71
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I also agree that cinepaint has addessed some problems, but we are talking about the gimp here. The other issues:
  • The gui can have too many windows to be managable I am a graphics designer and tend to have lots of small graphics open at the same time. This makes the taskbar fill to twice its capacity even if gimp is on it's own desktop. I do not like to have to have gimp on a sepreate desktop, because I often have Firefox in the background
I certainly hope you know and use the dackable windows ability of GIMP and the multiple virtual desktops in Linux. Otherwise, indeed it is a pain to work with a cluttered desktop and a lot of small windows (that was exactly my complaint about PS in Windows, too many windows). Dockable windows in GIMP 2.2.x is awesome! (just try it and you'll see!).

You may require a big resolution for this, but if you're a graphics designer, I'm sure you must have something above 1280x960
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...windowGimp.png
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  • Slow A lot of the scripts and filters are slow and take a while to complete.
I can't deny that some scripts are indeed slow, however on the getto's defence (graphics designers getto, I mean), garphics workstations are famous to be amongst the fastest and most powerful desktop computers there are. This doesn't mean you have to have one, though. *sigh* I wish some of the plugins were faster and instead of being scripts were binary (I know that scripting languages bring a lot of flexibility to the table, but sometimes you need speed, not flexibility)
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  • Lack of useful tools Red Eye Removal, Automatic Correction (color, exposure) are useful if you just want to make a couple of fast fixes on photos from your digital camera so you can print them on the spot.
ACtually what I miss the most are the transformation tools from PhotoShop, it has so many it is not even funny. So yeah, I agree about the tools.
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  • Too many unuseful tools to navigate Half of the items in Script-Fu Filters and Animation are kind of repeditive, have confusing titles. I tend to stay away from those menues because they do not usually have what I am looking for. many of them are just effects that are only useful for 1:1000 or more uses.
I guess usefulness here would heavily depend on the eyes of the beholder, and the task at hand. There are many ways at achieving your goals as people are on this planet, so...
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  • Can be hard to use/navigate Partly for the reasons above, Color tools, a tool really useful for graphics and photos, is hidden in a couple submenus deep.
Hmm... I open it by doubl clicking the color in the forground/background colors, always had and never even looked at the menu entry for those.


All in all, The GIMP has a lot of merit. Being it a free and Open Source project it is amazing what they have done with it. Photo Shop is quite an expensive piece of software, alas it allows you make your living for any graphics professional as THE defacto standard for raster graphics manipulation. I don't think GIPM aims at being that.

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Old 02-26-2006, 11:27 AM   #72
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Originally Posted by micahgeek
  • The gui can have too many windows to be managable I am a graphics designer and tend to have lots of small graphics open at the same time. This makes the taskbar fill to twice its capacity even if gimp is on it's own desktop. I do not like to have to have gimp on a sepreate desktop, because I often have Firefox in the background
Most of what you say is subjective, I can not comment on that & I have never used Adobe/corel/etc so I wouldn't know some of those complains.

But you can get this for the problem I quoted http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=3892

I really wish GIMP had an active comunity of addons developers. Firefox has a new addon every other day, GIMP has been around since the begining of time (almost) and yet I can not even find new brushes for it. I have to make my own brushes.
 
Old 02-26-2006, 01:48 PM   #73
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most of your criticisms of the gimp boil down to the fact that you are not used to it, and nothing more. that is not a valid citicism. from what you say, i'm beginning to believe that your only experience with the gimp is installing it and having a quick look around it for a few minutes.


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Lack of useful tools Red Eye Removal, Automatic Correction (color, exposure) are useful if you just want to make a couple of fast fixes on photos from your digital camera so you can print them on the spot.
do you know what these are? they are called plugins. photoshop has them too. all of those features that you have mentioned are in the gimp, some of them by default.
this may be useful for you to know:
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Extend The GIMP's functionality with scripts and Photoshop-plugins

You can extend The GIMP's functionality even more by adding scripts (Script-Fu) or Photoshop-filters to your GIMP-installation. A good resource for GIMP-scripts an tutorials is the GIMP User Group website.

For using Photoshop-plugins in GIMP the pspi.exe plugin for Windows has been created. you install this by extracting it to your GIMP installation directory (it will place itself to the lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins folder). After a restart of GIMP the Xtns-menu of GIMP's main window got a new item called Photoshop Plug-in Settings. When you click on it you can set a path to where your Photoshop-plugins are stored. GIMP will load the filters that are found in that folder at startup. These filters are added to GIMP's Filters menu.

You can find free Photoshop-filters at FreePhotoshop.com. The Virtual Photographer-plugin is good to begin with. Not all Photoshop-plugins work with GIMP, so you should try using some of them to see whether they work fine.
http://members.home.nl/m.weisbeek/gimp/#ps




if you really want the look and feel of photoshop, then why don't you checkout gimpshop. its 600 cheaper than photoshop.

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Old 02-27-2006, 10:01 AM   #74
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I certainly hope you know and use the dackable windows ability of GIMP and the multiple virtual desktops in Linux. Otherwise, indeed it is a pain to work with a cluttered desktop and a lot of small windows (that was exactly my complaint about PS in Windows, too many windows). Dockable windows in GIMP 2.2.x is awesome! (just try it and you'll see!).
I do. I have all the gimp tools on one dock. But if I open 10-20 graphics, the taskbar is so full, i cant see any titles, just a bunch of GIMP icons. I like Macromedia Fireworks' interface, where this is only one window and tabs to hold images. The 2-up and 4-up views let you compare pictures side-by-side. Only one taskbar window and only one image window... Perfect.

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Originally Posted by gdbugger
Most of what you say is subjective, I can not comment on that & I have never used Adobe/corel/etc so I wouldn't know some of those complains.

But you can get this for the problem I quoted (URL Removed)
That plugin is for an old version of GIMP, sigh. Most of the good plugins for GIMP (dust removal, etc.) are for GIMP 1.x, unfortuantely. GIMPshop is too much of a hack to me, and I dont want it to rearrange the menus because I am not a Phtoshop user, but a Fireworks user. I would rather get used to the menus in GIMP
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I really wish GIMP had an active comunity of addons developers. Firefox has a new addon every other day, GIMP has been around since the begining of time (almost) and yet I can not even find new brushes for it. I have to make my own brushes.
I couldn't agree more.
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micahgeek
most of your criticisms of the gimp boil down to the fact that you are not used to it, and nothing more. that is not a valid citicism. from what you say, i'm beginning to believe that your only experience with the gimp is installing it and having a quick look around it for a few minutes.
I use GIMP every day. It is the only image editor I use. I came from Fireworks (and occasionally , now Google's, Picasa) on Windows to the a GIMP/Inkscape combo on the Linux platform. I have been using the GIMP for about a year now. When I first used GIMP, I liked it a lot, but now I really see it's shortcomings after using it heavily.
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do you know what these are? they are called plugins. photoshop has them too. all of those features that you have mentioned are in the gimp, some of them by default.
For GIMP 2.2, I count 11 plugins. Most of them I wouldn't use anyway. Compare that to the 1,000+ extensions to Firefox 1.5 and you see that the GIMP is not a program a lot of developers are improving by plugins.
 
Old 02-27-2006, 04:34 PM   #75
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where is Maya 7.0???? or are they not including commercial programs?
 
  


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