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Old 02-13-2006, 12:46 AM   #106
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since when have i not accepted the criticisms of gnome.
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forget about what mr torvalds says. hes full of cack
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oh i understand now! if jeff waugh agrees with mr torvalds, they must be right
...enough said
 
Old 02-13-2006, 11:08 AM   #107
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Thetargos is right

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There is no spoon
I have to aggree
 
Old 02-14-2006, 10:15 AM   #108
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...enough said



marcusesq
read this thread and learn from your fellow kde users. here is a taste:
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Today it happened that I got interested in Ubuntu 6.04, the 3rd preview release is available. Though I run Kubuntu, I thought I'll download Ubuntu - the Gnome version. I always have a 4GB partition free to test other distros, so I installed it there. The install was as simple & efficient as always and went fine.

Now comes Gnome. I must honestly admit, I'm VERY impressed. Well first I didn't like the brown too much, but that was changed quickly. After moving around a little in the "System" menu, I often thought that it was all a little slimed down too much. Every config dialog has only a few options, there's not much you can tweak. But after working with it for a while now, I find that I have everything I need, and such a clean & simple GUI definitely helps you find your way. When a dialog pops up, or when I start an application, there's not much you have to think about, you have the few buttons you need, but when you go to "Edit->Preferences" you can always tweak a little more. Everything seems to be more organized and well-structured. One thing I really like is that all configure options you change are applied immeditately. As an example, when I change the font size in Epiphany, the web browser, I instantly see the effect on the homepage. When you are in Konqueror's "Preferences" and change font size, you first have to click "OK" to see the change, only to find out (propably) that it still doesn't fit.

I also like some of the other apps. Yes, they don't have many features, but they do what they're intented to do. The audio creator for example. You start it, and an empty window appears. The only buttons are "Add", "Remove", "Empty" | "Write on CD". By dragging sound files into the windows or clicking "Add" you can add some music files. A small circled diagram shows you how much space there's left on the CD. When you're finished you click on "Write on CD" and voila it's burned. Honestly, this works so much easier & quicker than with K3B.

Well, I'll "investigate" further, I got interested. This is not meant as a rant against KDE, no, I love KDE, but sometimes it's just so messy and not well-organized. KDE really has o do something about that imho. It has and still gains so many functions that it will soon be impossible to handle if we don't find a way to make the GUI simpler, cleaner & more professional.

...................


t's a few days now that I'm running Gnome now, and I'm still impressed. I've investigated some more apps, and my conclusion is now "simpler -> better". With gThumb, I found the perfect photo management/photo viewer. I tried Showimg, Kuickshow, Digikam, Gwenview ... they all wouldn't fit. They're great apps, yes, but they are so ugly cluttered!. gThumb in contrast looks nice & clean, it's UI doesn't overwhelm you with icons&lines&buttons, but it's still powerful. Everything is just slimed down to what you (I) need.

One thing I also really like is the context menus on the desktop, in Nautilus etc. They are so much more cleaner! They have far fewer elements, making it much more easy to find what you need.

Well there are a few downsides also ... I miss Amarok a little, although rhythmbox is pretty similar, but lacks a few features. But this shows that it's not that I want functionality to be cut down, I just needed them to presented in a cleaner & simpler way - and Gnome does this pretty good. Gnome is often said to be less configurable, but I've layouted my Gnome desktop pretty much the same as my KDE desktop was (which was pretty much non-KDE-standard). I was just able to do this much quicker.

................

Thanks for your hints, but I just wrote that I'm absolutely happy with gThumb It's really the app that i was always looking for and which I could sadly never find in KDE.

Now after a few days with Gnome, the only thing that I found that really sucks is the window manager, it doesn't have the nice features that KDE's wm has, like snapping windows, intelligent placement etc. But besides this, I'm entirely happy with my Gnome desktop.

Well what KDE really needs is some strict interface guidelines, when I look at Gnome, this is the prrof that such a HIG is really usefull & helps a lot.
http://kde-artists.org/main/componen...atid,3/id,163/

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Old 02-14-2006, 11:20 AM   #109
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I have to agree I was impress by the simplicity of GNOME with ubuntu.

...however, KDE is good too, I've been using it for quite a while now, since I first used linux. (I used linux for as long as I signed up to LQ). I like when the windows shade, even the defaults are appealing, so on and so forth.

I don't have time to write an essay in 1500 words why I chose KDE previously, but as a friendly suggestion, I suggest that comments made on the Desktop Environment should be balanced.

Don't diss a Desktop Environment, a lot of developers worked on it to provide it to you for ...::*free*::... without cost.
 
Old 02-14-2006, 07:44 PM   #110
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I alwithys use Gnone, and I like gnome.
 
Old 02-14-2006, 07:47 PM   #111
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marcusesq
read this thread and learn from your fellow kde users. here is a taste:

http://kde-artists.org/main/componen...atid,3/id,163/
Users? Look again and you will see these posts are from the same person. Anyway, I have no problem with anything this guy said. You could learn a lot from him. He did not present his opinion as fact and explained the reasons for his choices without having to resort to lies and fud about KDE to do it.
Here's an example. I travel quite a lot and have literally thousands of image files on my computer. My preference of image viewer has always been Gwenview. Never liked Kwickshow. Over time I have sent many suggestions and requests to the author of this program, many of which were implemented, and it is now one of my favorite KDE programs. That does not give me the right to go onto forums claiming everything else is crap simply because I feel it is the best.
Same with Gnome. What some people like about Gnome others find really annoying. Here's another example. The author prefers the Gnome toolbar setup over KDE's. I dont and here's why

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?i...enshot34ji.jpg

This screenshot shows five different GNOME applications showing five different types of Toolbars. They all look different, behave differently and react differently. Some toolbars are higher than others by a few pixels, others have a drag handle, others show icons only and others show text below icons.
Compare this to KDE where every application that uses a toolbar shares the same toolbar object. If you change global settings it automatically affects the changes to all applications (icons only, text under icons, drag handles etc.) The toolbar object comes with an toolbar editor to change icons, text under icons, draghandle, icon size etc. Gnome is a mish mash of GTK programs many of which come from outside the Gnome project which are inconsistent in their behaviour and their ability to communicate with each other.
I just prefer to work in an environment that gives me this consistency and KDE's well designed architecture provides this.

Just because you struggle with KDE does not mean everyone else does. What annoys you about KDE does not annoy everyone else. If this were not true KDE would not have the user base it does. No DE is perfect. I disagreed with the extent that Gnome went to achieve this because while removing functionality will always please those who dont use it and only see it as "clutter", it is a pain in the ass for those who do. With Gnomes acknowledgment of this problem and KDE's plasma project it seems both projects are now heading in the right direction.
 
Old 02-14-2006, 07:50 PM   #112
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Miscrosoft Windows for me

just kidding - KDE
 
Old 02-14-2006, 08:55 PM   #113
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Look again and you will see these posts are from the same person.
they were intended to be, you clot. those 3 posts included all his opinions over time.


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You could learn a lot from him. He did not present his opinion as fact and explained the reasons for his choices without having to resort to lies and fud about KDE to do it.
yeah, whatever.


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This screenshot shows five different GNOME applications showing five different types of Toolbars......blah blah blah
i'm beginning to wonder if you're Ali from OSnews. he was always bringing up that old toolbar thing, and no matter how many times it was explained to him he would always bring up the same old crap again and again and again. its no wonder why his(your?) posts were always been modded down.
have you ever thought that its meant to be like that? if you have ever used gnome, you will notice that you can change the toolbar for each and every application. its exactly the same in gnoem as it is in kde - each application shares the same toolbar object. one can eather globally change them or individually change them

btw that aspect of the gnome toolbars has already been explained to you time and time again if you are Ali. and if you are Ali, why do you keep on bringing it up? your knowledge of gnome is either non-existant or you're deliberately trying to see things in a skewered way.

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I just prefer to work in an environment that gives me this consistency and KDE's well designed architecture provides this.
have you ever used a qt application called lmms and have you ever tried to change the colour from dark grey? guess what, you can't. no matter what theme kde/qt has, it stays the same dark grey. consistancy? i don't think so somehow! here is lmms for your viewing pleasure:
http://lmms.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php
kde is anything but consistant. when you change a theme, don't you find it annoying that you have to log out and log back in again for all the changes to take place? gtk/gnome isn't like that because all the changes are instantaneous. in kde, try changing the theme to one that has a translucent panel and notice that the changes that should take place on the panel (ie changing the background of the applets etc) don't take place until you log out. etc etc etc. theming kde is a nightmare compared to gnome too.



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Just because you struggle with KDE does not mean everyone else does.
when did i say that i struggle with it?

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Old 02-14-2006, 10:01 PM   #114
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Users as opposed to user - get it?
No I am not Ali from OSnews. My source for that particular example was once again the gnome devs mailing list. Try reading it sometime. Again you have to bend the truth to try and make a point. LMMS is NOT a KDE APP! It is NOT part of KDE and does not ship with it.
From the author of LMMS: "LMMS is NOT a KDE-app, it uses Qt. Futhermore it uses it's own colors for looking more studio-like"

As I said in the previous post Gnome is collection of apps sourced from all over the place which use GTK. The are not built on a common framework. Just because an app is written using Qt does not make it a KDE app. Nice try.

First panic attacks and now nightmares!
If you want to believe Gnome is better for themeing than KDE... fine, just don't expect many KDE users to agree with you.
Themes load fine. Kicker is a seperate app and customised in its own right by right clicking on it. Transparency is instantaneous. Hardly a nightmare for anyone with half a brain. Still, for someone who thinks MOST users of KDE want their desktops to look like Gnome...

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Old 02-15-2006, 12:28 AM   #115
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I don't get why do you two keep on dicussing this issue over and over. Use whatever works for you and whatever you are comfortable with.
 
Old 02-15-2006, 02:19 AM   #116
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I don't get why do you two keep on dicussing this issue over and over. Use whatever works for you and whatever you are comfortable with.
See post #98. If anyone was honestly having this much trouble with KDE (crashing every 10 minutes etc.), the only reasonable explanation would be that his install was severely broken. I remember how Red Hat used to cripple KDE, perhaps Fedora Core are still doing it, but the workaround was simply to do a clean install of KDE in /opt.
However, as he has gone to the extent of labeling KDE developers as "lacking", I doubt this is the case. He is using this forum to "FUD" KDE, speaking on behalf of others and presenting personal opinion as fact. I called him to account.
 
Old 02-15-2006, 06:50 AM   #117
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This "debate" is beginning to get on my nerves.

I'm sure 90% of the people looking through this thread couldn't give a f@#k whether A or B is right.

Both of you get a life and let others post their preferences without having to wade through such irrelevant rubbish.
 
Old 02-15-2006, 08:09 AM   #118
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that marcuserq keeps on claiming things that i'm not and putting words in my mouth.


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Still, for someone who thinks MOST users of KDE want their desktops to look like Gnome...
when did i even imply that? i've been saying all along that KDE and Gnome serve different purposes and will generally appeal to different types of users.


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However, as he has gone to the extent of labeling KDE developers as "lacking"
again, when did i even imply that?

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Old 02-15-2006, 08:51 AM   #119
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i really don't know why there isn't a qt-gtk theme(as opposed to a gtk-qt theme) because most people want kde applications to look like GNOME applications rather than the other way around. KDE/qt look awful.
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GNOME developers are far more imiginative and inventive than KDE developers, the latter of whom seem to be rather lacking.
No need to put words in your mouth. You posted both on 23rd September. Ring any bells?
 
Old 02-15-2006, 10:55 AM   #120
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This "debate" is beginning to get on my nerves.

I'm sure 90% of the people looking through this thread couldn't give a f@#k whether A or B is right.

Both of you get a life and let others post their preferences without having to wade through such irrelevant rubbish.
I have an idea, we can all unsubscribe to this post (hey, I'll save me 2k each time there is an update), and leave "marcusesq", and "NoWindowsInMyHome" to fight over which of the two are the best and how come the other is wrong.

Different Desktop Environment, same OS. It doesn't change your "uname" output if your running KDE or GNOME.
 
  


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