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View Poll Results: Desktop Environment of the Year
KDE 1,253 64.86%
Gnome 496 25.67%
XFCE 170 8.80%
GNUstep 11 0.57%
Ximian 2 0.10%
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Old 04-30-2006, 05:03 PM   #226
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I like some things about KDE and others about Gnome. Recently i started using ICEWM and am adding features from each there (just the ones I like). Keeps it simple, yet not too bare.

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Old 05-02-2006, 09:21 AM   #227
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i have used KDE and GNOME, but i would personally like to see GNOME take the top spot.
 
Old 05-02-2006, 08:17 PM   #228
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KDE... KDE.... KDE.... Nothing other than that. No desktop environments are upto KDE in the terms of usability, good looks and user friendliness. But why in the world does RedHat and Fedora use GNOME as their default desktop? Maybe a personal preference.. huh????? I think that no other DEs would be able to cope up with KDE after the release of version 4.

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Old 05-02-2006, 08:44 PM   #229
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But why in the world does RedHat and Fedora use GNOME as their default desktop? .
because they, along with all the other top distros, have good sense. if you think that KDE wins on usability, good looks, or user friendliness, you must have spent your entire life on some strange topsy-turvy planet.
 
Old 05-02-2006, 10:22 PM   #230
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Hello NoWindowsInMyHome,

Thank you my dear friend, for reminding me the fact that I am an alien. Its good hearing that you are staying in your senses, and that too in a real great one. So could you please explain, why the hell does KDE score by a huge part as the opposing GNOME of 25.67%. Is that so, since every KDE user are in some 'strange topsy-turvy planet', as per your words. Or is that each and every one of them are not in their senses? Or are they mad? Please understand that I have only posted my opinion and have not interferred in other people's thoughts. So don't try to pinpoint and shoot out opinions that would cause a brawl. Try posting your experiences that you think, would make a positive response for GNOME and also the weak side of KDE,if you are that particular on thrashing KDE. That would make a nice post, dear.

Thank you,
 
Old 05-03-2006, 07:51 AM   #231
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So could you please explain, why the hell does KDE score by a huge part as the opposing GNOME of 25.67%.
that fact that it did on this forum doesn't prove anything. go to the fedora forums and gnome wins by more than 2 to 1. go to the kubuntu/ubuntu forums and gnome wins by nearly 4 to 1. or if you go to neowin here, you see that gnome wins by 16 to 10. so it really doesn't say anything other than those on that forum preferred one or the other. if, as you erronously claim, kde is so superior, one wonders why all the big organisations are going with gnome and giving kde the cold(more like freezing) shoulder given that kde fanatics claim that the licence isn't an issue any more. big business wants the most usable, good looking, and user friendly desktop for their customers (these are some of its top priorities), so they are putting their money with the best desktop for their customers. eventually and inevitably, the only people that are going to be using kde are hardcore geeks who prefer to tweak 10 gazzillion UI options and investigating why konquror and amarok and all other kde apps crash so often, rather than doing anything productive.

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Old 05-03-2006, 09:35 AM   #232
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most company's don't care what DE they use, they go for the standard delivered with their linux distro. red hat always poored money in gnome, its hard to turn away - and novell seems to be hijacked by Ximian ppl, so they too waste money on gnome. meanwhile, most ppl who used to hack on gnome are repelled by the corporate influence and the policy to make decisions based on how much money you have behind you. in the long run, this won't work.

most users prefer KDE anyway - that's why most DESKTOP distributions use KDE as default: mandriva, xandros, linspire, suse, mepis etcetera. only exceptions ubuntu and fedora core, i dunno why ubuntu did it (but they are changing and supporting KDE more and more anyway), for fedora it's clear.

saying things like KDE apps crash often is easy if you run Fedora, KDE sucks in there. try Kubuntu dapper or Suse 10.1, then come back.

and about usability - KDE is more usable, as it can do more, in more ways and faster... that's why most ppl use it. looks better, to imho - at least, you can change its colors, windec, style... without having to use the commandline and change obscure textfiles.

ok, KDE 3.2 was a mess, usability-wise. sure. but its now almost 3 years later, and KDE 3.5 has been cleaned up a lot. and you can clean it up, as a user, easily - removing what you don't need takes way less time then adding things you DO need and aren't there (welcome to Gnome's printing dialog)...

btw this forum has more users, and users from all distributions etcetera compared to the forums you mention.
 
Old 05-03-2006, 02:40 PM   #233
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that's why most DESKTOP distributions use KDE as default: mandriva, xandros, linspire, suse, mepis etcetera.
suse don't use kde as the default desktop. they use gnome for the default desktop. they had initially planned to stop offering kde altogether, but due to whining of the kde crowd, they decided to still offer kde even though gnome will be the default from then on.
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i dunno why ubuntu did it (but they are changing and supporting KDE more and more anyway)
they are not changing. ubuntu/gnome will always be the first and foremost. remember that mark shuttleworth is a long time gnome developer and supporter.

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saying things like KDE apps crash often is easy if you run Fedora, KDE sucks in there. try Kubuntu dapper or Suse 10.1, then come back.
we already have. kubuntu is still very unstable relative to ubuntu.

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and about usability - KDE is more usable, as it can do more, in more ways and faster... that's why most ppl use it. looks better, to imho - at least, you can change its colors, windec, style... without having to use the commandline and change obscure textfiles.
having more options doesn't make something more usable. thats like saying that emacs is more usable than kate or gedit. emacs must be one of the most unfriendly unusable applications ever written for most users. in many cases, less is more.
you can change the colours as easily in gnome as you can in kde. gtk 2.10 will be adding the functionality to change the individual components/widgets on the fly. thats something that kde doesn't have or have even planned for. the colour schemes are held in a kcsrc text file, so saying that you can change the colours in kde without going into the command line is simply untrue. they go about it in a different way. gnome is considerably easier to theme than kde is and thats a fact. where you get your idea that you need to go to the command line to change the window decorations and themes in gnome suggests that you've never used gnome in your life. or at the very least, have very limited knowledge of gnome. i know kde as well i know gnome. in fact, i probably know kde a lot more intimately. its because i grew to hate kde over time because of the direction thats its heading in, their philosophy ("hey devs, lets stuff in as many features as we possibly can. sod the design! lets just throw 50 gazillion options at the user and let them figure it out for themselves. then we can say we have provided the user with option"), the clutter, and directionless mess of the design.
 
Old 05-03-2006, 08:56 PM   #234
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go to the fedora forums and gnome wins by more than 2 to 1. go to the kubuntu/ubuntu forums and gnome wins by nearly 4 to 1. or if you go to neowin here, you see that gnome wins by 16 to 10. so it really doesn't say anything other than those on that forum preferred one or the other.
Whatever it is that you are doing to yourself, you better stop it. Brain cells dont regenerate you know. Your posts just get dumber and dumber.
Think about this, if you ask 100 people who choose to own a Ford rather than a car made by GM "who makes the better car of the two?", do you think the results will mean anything? This site's neutrality attracts "Linux" users generally so the reason you use to dismiss this survey is the very reason this survey can be considered accurate.
By the way, Mark Shuttleworth may support gnome but has publicly stated that he uses Kubuntu not Ubuntu for personal use.

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Old 05-03-2006, 09:20 PM   #235
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Your posts just get dumber and dumber.
at least my posts can get dumber


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By the way, Mark Shuttleworth may support gnome but has publicly stated that he uses Kubuntu not Ubuntu for personal use.
can't you get anything right! he uses kubuntu for his laptop and ubuntu for his desktop.
 
Old 05-03-2006, 10:19 PM   #236
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What the hell is the point of this KDE vs GNOME debate? If you have so much time to waste arguing online, go develop something for that favorite desktop of yours. You both know neither of you are going to change your opinion anyway.

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Old 05-04-2006, 12:34 AM   #237
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at least my posts can get dumber.
So you just had to give an example

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Originally Posted by NoWindowsInMyHome
can't you get anything right! he uses kubuntu for his laptop and ubuntu for his desktop.
"Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth announced that he was now using Kubuntu on his desktop machine"

http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php

Cant you get anything right?
 
Old 05-04-2006, 12:59 AM   #238
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Well, you know what.. a really funny thing happened to me today.. i was reading through all these posts and kept seeing kde this and gnome that, and a few people on about xfce.. so i figured why not give xfce a go. so i apt-gotted it and there it was on my session selecta.. cool.

I didn't like it because it wasnt set up with my shortcuts and things and it felt a bit weird not having anything on the desktop .. (my kde desktop was covered with stuff) ..

then i try to go back to KDE. Oh s**t .. WTF is this error message?? i did do a few up-dates and i think ive got just about every desktop and window manager out there on here through my long nights of experimenting but i didn't expect this... (i wont go in to the gory details here but it was something to do with the DCOP server... )

Riiiiiight so im stuck with XFCE until i can either get this sorted or back up and re-install .. im thinking a reinstall would be good at some point anyway because i want slackware back and ive been using some inferior linux's ..

Long story (almost) short, I've spent a few+ hours getting to grips with XFCE and you know what ..? its not half bad.. You see ive tried other "light" WM's and DE's but they all look baaaaad .. it seems to me with some tweaking XFCE can look pretty snazzy, even if it feels a little less configurable, i like the menu bar at the bottom (kinda like MAC style), and now ive got all my usual KDE apps on there (konsole, konqueror, kontact, amsn etc etc) .. Its actually nice to use.. and its FAST too .. much faster than KDE was anyway.. gnome is pretty quick on my 1.5ghz 600mb RAM laptop but i think this is quicker.

Anyway.. if i hadn't have had to configure XFCE i wouldn't have given it a chance... i might.. MIGHT be a convert if i can get some themes or something easy enough to make it look even cooler (any advice pm me or summut i want something that looks like that wheel thing on the MAC instead of the rather static bar at the bottom) so im glad i tried it and will stick with it for a month and see how it goes.

Sometimes a change is as good as a rest eh..

Sorry for the waffle...!! i was gonna say "KDE!!" but now i dont know.
 
Old 05-05-2006, 09:52 AM   #239
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I love watching the Gnome vs. KDE arguments. You all stand behind your desktops strongly. But in reality they all have their quirks, I prefer Gnome, but KDE has more eye candy. Both are awesome, but being able to stand back and take a look at how many desktops are offered, it really gets exciting. Learning the quirks of all of the DE's would show skills. So far the weirdest I played with was Enlightenment. It was pretty cool though. For beginners, and people transitioning, Gnome is hands down the easiest to work with. The selections are laid out nicely, which is great to help convert people. I think the way the arguments for KDE and Gnome go are quite entertaining, but I'm still waiting for a post about the Terminal being someones favorite environment. Where does my vote go? I'm gonna go with Gnome, but thats because I'm a Linux pusher.
 
Old 05-05-2006, 12:10 PM   #240
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...For beginners, and people transitioning, Gnome is hands down the easiest to work with. The selections are laid out nicely, which is great to help convert people...
Not entirely true. Firstly, I'll get his out of the way. I grew up on Windows. I started with Windows 3.1 and went through every version of it through XP before I started using Linux. Now I use Debian for everything and windows doesnt exist in my home anymore. Out of Gnome and KDE, I prefer KDE. But that is just going to harden my point...

People who like Gnome over KDE are ussually the people that came from or like the Apple/Mac computers. People who like KDE are ussually the ones that came from or like Windows.

KDE's look and layout is almost identical to that of Windows' while Gnome's is almost identical to an older version of Mac OS.

It all just comes down to 2 things. Bulkness and comfort. Both KDE and Gnome are pretty bulky, as in they use a lot of resources. So the user decides between the two for comfort. While almost all the other Desktop Environments are relatively lightweight and small. These are for the users that keep in mind their computer's resources over look and feel.

This is just my two cents though, other may feel differently.

But, I have to vote for my favorite here, which is KDE.
 
  


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