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You can now vote for your favorite products of 2004. This is your chance to be heard! Voting closes on February 3rd.

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View Poll Results: Web Development Editor of the Year
Quanta 348 50.88%
Bluefish 165 24.12%
Ginf 0 0%
Screem 32 4.68%
Nvu 94 13.74%
Mozilla Composer 45 6.58%
Voters: 684. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
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Old 02-03-2005, 08:38 AM   #76
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I vote for Dreamweaver MX (using Crossover office or something..)
 
Old 02-03-2005, 05:08 PM   #77
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Quote:
Originally posted by mio_carpe
quanta crash to much. Looking I found screem!!!
One of the biggest complaints about screem is that it crashes too much though Hopefully it will get more than last years 4% of the vote though.
 
Old 02-03-2005, 08:01 PM   #78
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Congrats to the Quanta team.

Let's hope even more cool stuff will be added this year!
 
Old 02-03-2005, 08:42 PM   #79
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Just as an FYI - those were the unaudited results and should not have been visible. The official results will be available in a couple days.

--jeremy
 
Old 02-04-2005, 10:59 AM   #80
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Bluefish

Bluefish still the fastest and best!!
cheers
Bob

 
Old 02-04-2005, 12:52 PM   #81
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Re: It's a tie...

Quote:
Originally posted by cybernightlife
IMO, my preferred Web page editor is Bluefish, as I have been using that editor to maintain Cybernightlife (I used Advanced Web Editor for OS/2 before I migrated to Linux back in December 1998). Quanta Plus ties with Bluefish as far as web page editor of the year, for its ease of use, on the fly previewing, and the ability to handle PHP.

I prefer Bluefish as it allows the most control over how my pages look and how they are formatted. Bluefish has better CSS support than QuantaPlus, as I prefer to use a single stylesheet as opposed to embedding CSS in all HTML pages.
That's interesting. I used EPM on OS/2 and migrated in 1999. As far as your review of Quanta though I wonder what version you're running. I also suspect you haven't found a lot of things in Quanta. Hopefully you found the Ctrl-Space function auto complete for PHP. I don't know about Bluefish CSS support but I do know about Quanta's and I doubt it's better.

As of version 3.3 (version 3.4 is in beta and the support in 3.2 was limited because it was only from the "Other" toolbar) Quanta+ supports CSS as follows:
  • CSS auto completion for inline style
  • auto completion of selectors
  • dialog based editing of selectors and on page selector listing
  • dialog based editing of a cascading style sheet
  • auto complete in a CSS file
  • CSS dialog launch from the attribute editor
  • CSS dialog launch from the tag dialog
  • common CSS tasks on the main toolbar
  • a Style toolbar which includes a span and div tag
Note that while the CSS dialogs are viewed as one they are actually several context sensitive dialogs. These have CSS-2 support and as tag data is read from an XML file they can be updated to new standards easily. Earlier versions of Quanta were tied to on page CSS editing but now you can do a lot more.

It is difficult to imagine how Quanta could handle CSS much better... without designing pages in your sleep. Actually we are working on direct manipulation of CSS in visual mode too fr 4.0.
 
Old 02-04-2005, 03:14 PM   #82
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Re: Re: It's a tie...

you people see this man... this man is a god. he is responisble for the reason im happy in my job and why i run linux and make more people happy by turning them. quanta isnt a web development tool it should have its a way of life.

i mean i code the style sheet with

#footer {bla bla} and it knows when i go <div id=" to suggest footer. Its just splendid in everyway. No other tools should be on this list because they just don't come close.

the only thing quanta could do better for css is work the other way round.. but i have know doubt thats on a feature list somewhere. i read the mailing list every day and every day they commit something into cvs. its a pleasure using your editor sir. =)

but what he is saying is that quanta doesn't do is sugest these things from linked style sheets only embedded ones. I think at least.

Quote:
Originally posted by sequitur
That's interesting. I used EPM on OS/2 and migrated in 1999. As far as your review of Quanta though I wonder what version you're running. I also suspect you haven't found a lot of things in Quanta. Hopefully you found the Ctrl-Space function auto complete for PHP. I don't know about Bluefish CSS support but I do know about Quanta's and I doubt it's better.

As of version 3.3 (version 3.4 is in beta and the support in 3.2 was limited because it was only from the "Other" toolbar) Quanta+ supports CSS as follows:
  • CSS auto completion for inline style
  • auto completion of selectors
  • dialog based editing of selectors and on page selector listing
  • dialog based editing of a cascading style sheet
  • auto complete in a CSS file
  • CSS dialog launch from the attribute editor
  • CSS dialog launch from the tag dialog
  • common CSS tasks on the main toolbar
  • a Style toolbar which includes a span and div tag
Note that while the CSS dialogs are viewed as one they are actually several context sensitive dialogs. These have CSS-2 support and as tag data is read from an XML file they can be updated to new standards easily. Earlier versions of Quanta were tied to on page CSS editing but now you can do a lot more.

It is difficult to imagine how Quanta could handle CSS much better... without designing pages in your sleep. Actually we are working on direct manipulation of CSS in visual mode too fr 4.0.

Last edited by thedarkavenger; 02-04-2005 at 03:17 PM.
 
Old 02-04-2005, 03:24 PM   #83
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Re: Re: Re: It's a tie...

Quote:
Originally posted by thedarkavenger
you people see this man... this man is a god. he is responisble for the reason im happy in my job and why i run linux and make more people happy by turning them...
Okay... enough... I'm blushing already.
 
Old 02-04-2005, 03:37 PM   #84
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It is difficult to imagine how Quanta could handle CSS much better... without designing pages in your sleep.



But!

Bluefish is, clean, fast and stable.
and css is a dream to do!
Laters
Bob
 
Old 02-04-2005, 03:47 PM   #85
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maybe but quanta is not only got a better logo its got a much better dom tree, it works on the dtd you are and tells you when you are putting tags in the wrong place or order. it has tidy intergration is has php varible and object sugestion its got bloody everything you need to create websites. php debugger, the project thing is just great and more to the point its got a cooler name =)

Quote:
Originally posted by kedman
It is difficult to imagine how Quanta could handle CSS much better... without designing pages in your sleep.



But!

Bluefish is, clean, fast and stable.
and css is a dream to do!
Laters
Bob
 
Old 02-04-2005, 04:37 PM   #86
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Reality Check

I may have said it already but Quanta has this category wrapped up. If you are voting for bluefish then you either a) don't like KDE/QT and simply will not vote for an application made with those tools, b) have not tried out Quanta anytime recently, c) tried it out but didn't actually check-out all of its functionality. There is simply NO functionality in bluefish that is superior to that in Quanta!

If you want WYSIWYG HTML development then you could make an argument for NVU or Composer; but bluefish is not even in the same league as Quanta.
 
Old 02-04-2005, 07:10 PM   #87
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Re: Reality Check

Quote:
Originally posted by s1ider
don't like KDE/QT

Now I know why!!
I'm a Gnome guy!!, so I guess quanta's out!!
Must be that ' looks like XP thing'
But hey, If it rings the bell! enjoy

Cheers
Bob
 
Old 02-05-2005, 10:08 PM   #88
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Cool Wow!

To everyone who voted for Quanta many thanks. This is tremendously meaningful to me as it represents a popular endorsement from a cross section of Linux users. Also I think Jeremy deserves kudos for his efforts in making a web poll that is carefully and credibly managed. Thanks for your hard work Jeremy. The last two years were close and we lost two years ago. I was surprised how close it was, but this year it looks decisive. I hope that in coming years we can see results like this for web developers in polls not exclusive to Linux. That's my goal.

What else can I say? Bob, did you check out how fast and clean Quanta is? Looks like XP? Puh-lease. I had to boot XP the other day and it sucks next to KDE. The cool thing is that you have so many tools to choose from on Linux... But if you want to win a Windows web developer who is doing PHP on Dreamweaver over to Linux, whatever you're running, make sure to show them Quanta. How many desktop Linux apps are itching to go head to head with the commercial Windows flagship products?

Bring us your Windows web developers, yearning to be free... Happy web developing everyone!
 
Old 02-06-2005, 12:57 AM   #89
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Re: Re: Reality Check

Quote:
Originally posted by kedman
Now I know why!!
I'm a Gnome guy!!, so I guess quanta's out!!
Not necessarily!! I'm running Quanta in XFCE with no problems... (Helps to have KDE installed on the machine, though ) As a matter of fact, I was running in Gnome till I switched to XFCE...

Just had to clear that up
 
Old 02-06-2005, 01:37 AM   #90
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Well, I'd never use Quanta, maybe it's got some nice features, but I don't need them. Normally I use gedit for xhtml, php, css, mysql, I've tried bluefish, but I thought the window was too large, and the application too unstable. I've actually never seen gedit crash!
 
  


 


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