The current CVS version of Quanta is even better than the previous versions. It's truly the best web development tool for me.
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HI Now thats sounds good! I've just started playing with XFCE, its nice and fast!! A change on the way me thinks cheers Bob :p |
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The only thing comparable to Quanta in the Windoze world, IMO, is Html-kit. Although Quanta seems to have better project management features.
Dreamweaver is an excellent product, but it's overrated sometimes. Still, I'm glad no-one mentioned the KING of all web dev editors: FRONTPAGE!! </bitter sarcasm> (of course we all know FP is only good for making websites that appear here: http://www.worstoftheweb.com/ ) nVu seems decent but I never liked the way it uses inline styles so much... that's such a waste of bandwidth and problematic for re-usability! Quote:
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Years ago Jono Bacon was working on Kafka for WYSIWYG on KDE and in conversations I told him that it lacked infrastructure and we would add a visual mode to Quanta only after we were able to do it right. He later wrote me that he was happy to say my vision was right. Quanta's VPL uses styling now and does not mangle your document, changing only the nodes it edits. It also has split mode. I really think nVu is on target for an unsophisticated audience but is not a serious tool, even though I do think they have some very interesting ideas in addition to their backwards legacy HTML view. Quote:
All of this will take some exploration for the best UI, but we have several guys who will be on this with serious time as well as several developers on KHTML coordinating. In addition to this we are targeting XML/CSS, XSLT on the fly layer and limited PHP loop and logic support for VPL. My objective by version 4 of KDE and Quanta is to be the undisputed winner in a shootout with Dreamweaver or any other Windows editor. We are also looking to extend our project support, team development tools and add the ability to create interface and access profiles for tasks and roles. Oh, and there will be a messaging and annotation service built in and managed with the project repository. In addition to this Kommander will be mature and enabled even easier point and click interface creation. Using KNewStuff it will be easy to share visual extentions for Quanta and it will be easy for teams to enable their own private resource repositories. Quote:
I invite people who are interested to help us achieve that by coding, donating or sponsoring (we have two sponsored developers) and getting involved with our resource repositories we will be working on by clicking the "upload" menu item when you have developed a cool template or toolbar. |
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Can I use it in Gnome of will I need XFCE? Cheers Bob |
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If you want to integrate a visual CVS interface and use a built in visual diff program you need the kdesdk package which also gives you UML. Cervisia is the CVS interface and it is split into the visual component and a nonvisual DCOP interface to a CVS service process. Quanta uses this interface and version 3.2 can commit and update directly from the project context menus. It can also run Cervisia in a file tab as a plug in. In the upcoming 3.4 many more CVS commands are integrated and when Cervisia handles Subversion this will be transparently inherited. The recovery routine makes use of the Kompare visual diff program as an option if newer backup files are found on startup. Crashes are rare but backups make sense. When several people discovered a rare delete bug in 3.1.4 and wiped out a project we showed them where to find all their backups and they restored almost all their work. ;) If you have Tidy it also integrates by default in the main toolbars. I should mention that if you are not using CVS you don't know what you're missing. Even if you're the only developer you still get the security of rollback and snapshots as well as setting release tags to manage a site. Setting up CVS on your system only takes a couple commands in the shell and you're done. There is a complete tutorial for CVS and Cervisia here. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6096 Enjoy! :) |
and he said all of that in just one breath!
It seems that the longer ones hair gets, the more one has to say ;) Keep up the good work Eric and the team - congrats :D I think it's time i donated again...... (even tho you dont appear to have broken your car!) Joff :D |
Thanks Eric
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you must understand the last version of Quanta I used was the version included in Mandrake 9.2... which had a bug which would make it crash at a certain action. However, even then I could see the potential of this application. When I hear you talking about the project, it seems Quanta has come a Looooong way since then. I tried to install it again with the RPM from the Novell site (ATM I'm running SuSe 9.1 Pro). Surprise, it crashed again! Of course I don't blame Quanta, just wanted to say that I didn't have the opportunity to try out the latest Quanta. I'll probably buy SuSe 9.3, rumored to be out around April, which will likely include one of the latest Quanta versions. I guess my affection for Html-Kit is, because it learned me writing Html and CSS code. *Good* code. I'm still grateful to the little, ugly app, which taught me and made me aware why good code matters. There are a few reasons why I don't use Dreamweaver a lot although I have a license at work. Most important reason is that Dreamweaver's CSS rendering engine screws up our (fully standards-compliant, valid Xhtml 1.1 Transitional and CSS2.0) website, not 4.0 and not MX. This makes it really hard to work in 'layout mode', since the screen is messed up. This is also exactly the reason why we cannot use MM Contribute, which suffers from the same problem. Well, that and it does not allow a sufficient level of control and importing of custom templates (e.g. you HAVE to use Dreamweaver templates). Your 'object templates' (or what was it called) sound very interesting. Anyway, I wish you good luck with the project and hope you will never loose the enthusiasm and ambition for Quanta you are currently showing in your posts. Cheers, Darkelve |
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