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View Poll Results: Distribution of the Year
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 23 0.99%
Fedora 350 15.09%
Mandrakelinux 235 10.13%
Slackware 449 19.36%
Suse 235 10.13%
Debian 250 10.78%
Knoppix 43 1.85%
Gentoo 314 13.54%
DamnSmallLinux 7 0.30%
MEPIS 96 4.14%
LFS 13 0.56%
Ubuntu 176 7.59%
Yoper 32 1.38%
Xandros 27 1.16%
Linspire 17 0.73%
Arch 26 1.12%
Conectiva 7 0.30%
Amigo 2 0.09%
CentOS 3 0.13%
PClinuxOS 14 0.60%
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Old 01-13-2005, 09:58 AM   #286
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Novell Suse for me


basically the only distro I have used extensively but I'm really happy with it.
 
Old 01-13-2005, 11:16 AM   #287
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SLACKWARE!!!!!
 
Old 01-13-2005, 11:51 AM   #288
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Tried Mandrake 10, it was ok. Not great, but OK. Worked well coming from a Windows world.
Now it's

DEBIAN!!
 
Old 01-13-2005, 02:33 PM   #289
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Mepis for converts et. al.

0th. Summary - this is long enough to have one:
1. No more flames here please.
2. Let's stay on topic
3. Debian, Debian, Debian:
- Mepis for beginners
- Sarge for my desktop
- Woody on servers
4. Commerciality -- semi-rant
4.5 Books of the Year
5. Full rant -- you have been warned
------------------------------------------

1st. Let's keep the flamage down, please no dissing other distros. It's one thing to say what you like & why, also to say what you don't like & why; it's another to bash (unavoidable pun) w/o reasons. For example: I don't find it useful see or say "Lindows suX" (although I do think that). What makes more sense is: "I don't like Lindows because my understanding is that it, like Winders, logs you in as root & that IMO is a big security risk." Notice I even tried to make allowances for the possibility that my facts might be wrong.

2nd. I would like to respectfully suggest that "dick_onion53" & those who are trying to help him take the discussion of specific problems to a new or different thread. What I find great about this thread is the reasoned exposition of the merits of peoples favorite distros. For instance, I have ordered my ubuntu as a result.

3rd. My real topic -- Mepis for converts.
This week my Intermediate Linux desktop class voted to use Mepis as the "official" distro of the course. Our text is Marcel Gagné's Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!. We were trying to use Mandrake Official 10.0 because the illustrations in the text are based on Mandrake 9.?. But when RPMDrake refused to read a CD from the drive used in the install, I gave up on it. (Please, no help on this; if I want to continue w/ Mandrake, I'll use 10.1 Official when I can get my hands on it, for the moment it is on my s#!* list, but I'll probably get over it.)

3.5th. People are paying good money to learn GNU/Linux.
Yes, since Oct. 2004 I have had paying adult students in a class called "Moving to Linux". This may be a sign that we have reached a turning point in the mainstream acceptance of GNU/Linux.

4th. Looking like Winders &/or being commercial.
Once upon a time, when Linus was in high school, and I was running DR DOS, I looked at Winders and said "If I wanted a GUI, I'd've bought a Mac!" OK, I've mellowed a bit, I like a fine grained display w/ lots of colors that is easy on my eyes. My point is that if we are going enlighten those poor souls still stuck on the dark side, we are going to have to give them something great that is easy to change to. They are used to the M$ desktop metaphor & so that is what we offer them in any distro that uses KDE or Gnome.

If we are going to argue against Lindows/Linspire or Xandros it should not be because they look like Winders, but because they act like Micro$oft. Things like root log-ins & getting locked in to one vendor or near trickery to get the innocent to pay for stuff that is available on-line for the cost of the download. And don't trash them for being commercial & trying to sell Linux, RMS, the "purest of the pure", is thoroughly for that, read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html.

Contrast Mepis: Although I can't find it quickly on their web sites (http://mepis.com/ & http://mepis.org/), in Point & Click Linux! Robin "Roblimo" Miller quotes them as saying explicitly that you do not need a subscription to use APT (Debian Advanced Package Tool) to get new & updated software, that the advantage on the subscription is you get software that is guaranteed compatible w/ your Mepis system. This impresses me as an open & honest way of doing business. This & the desktop features are why I voted for Mepis.

4.5th. Book of the Year
If you are looking for a good beginner book for yourself or your favorite beginner, get Point & Click Linux! http://www.pointandclicklinux.com/ http://www.phptr.com/title/0131488724. The statement "The world's first complete desktop Linux migration kit" is not hype. This author may be even more readable than Gagné, if that is possible. I think this is the 1st computer book that I finished in one reading. One of its greatest strengths is that the illustrations are taken from the distro (SimplyMEPIS) included w/ the book. It is so good, I intend to design a beginner's course around it.

Too bad there aren't a set of Book of the Year polls. I would suggest a Beginner category & nominate Point & Click Linux!. Then a Transition category for Moving to the Linux Business Desktop (Gagné again).

5th. Community Schizophrenia or "How Slack set me back 3 years"
Sometimes I think GNU - Linux - Free Software - Open Source Community is ambivalent about Winders (l)users ("wusers"?). On the one hand we love to hate the "Evil Empire" & all its crappy software, starting w/ the OS; on the other hand we realize that if we ever "win" we will no longer be the valiant, oppressed minority, a stance we also love. What we need to remember is that in addition the freedom issues, there is the excellence vs. mediocrity issue. Once any of us decide that freedom & the pursuit of excellence are more important than posing as a "cool" rebel, then we can start of recommending to a beginner something different than what we use ourselves, whether for a desktop or for servers. I think that even the most die-hard user of LFS, Gentoo, or Slack might grudgingly allow that his/her favorite distro might possibly not be the best choice for Grandma or Aunt Tillie (assuming Grandma isn't Adm. Grace Hopper).

Perhaps next year we might have 3 categories here: 'Beginner', 'Desktop', & 'Server' (CLI); or 4 if we add 'LiveCD'.

In 1998 I bought a Slack book on sale. I read the installation instructions several times and gave up. It seemed like there were a thousand (well maybe only 20 or 50) boot images to choose from & no clear idea of which or why. So I gave up & didn't start again until I found HLUG (Houston TX) in 2001. I was not a beginner: 1964 - IBM 7094 SNOBOL, 1971 - Nixdorf Assembly at work, 1982 - Heathkit Z89 CP/M & submit files every program on a bootable diskette. But there are times when I want something that works right out of the box, as do most of our potential converts out there.

<rant /> Thanks for your patience.
 
Old 01-14-2005, 12:13 AM   #290
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i voted yoper.

once installed, it has all the advantages of mepis, but its much much faster.

the reason i switched was because yoper was the first distro to have a KDE 3.3.0 rpm out and i was sick of waiting for the mepis one. mepis used to freeze on me sometimes too when loading KDE, never with yoper. i dont know if this is just something htat happenes to me or if its to everyone, but i didnt have THAT good of an experience with mepis.

however, it still stays a strong second, although if yoper evaporates for some reason(although i know its not going anywhere) i will most likely use a source-based distro or something more advanced than mepis just for the learning experience.

other than yoper/mepis, i dont like any of the other distros ive tried. mandy was OK, fedora was pretty bad IMO and suse was way too slow and too "beginnery." even though i had only been using linux for a week when i installed suse, i still felt castrated with it. mainly due to the lack of the updatedb command, which was important to me as i was still trying to figure out where everything was. anyway, a week later i went on vacation and used knoppix livecd and when i came back i installed mepis, a little after that kde 3.3 was released and i went to yoper and never looked back.
 
Old 01-14-2005, 05:17 AM   #291
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Quote:
Originally posted by nuka_t
... when i installed suse, i still felt castrated with it...
Well, I have the exact same experience with SUSE, but never managed to put it to words that good . I like a distro that isn't prebuilt to the point that you break it if you install something new. Most of the classic distro's like debian, slackware,... are very multipurpose.
Many lot of out of the box distro's now are good if you don't alter to much settings, don't install to much software, don't like that. A thing that I like as well in a distro, is using the standard version of software (e.g. KDE), problem is that if they don't, they break the config files in your homedir.

just some thoughts...
 
Old 01-14-2005, 07:04 AM   #292
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Debian forever...
 
Old 01-14-2005, 09:21 AM   #293
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To archtoad6,

Pretty well said, but a couple of points.

1) Your post is too late. Most people won't read it, so I'm sure the flames will continue. (unfortunately)
2) Good suggestion. Hopefully that dick_onion53 can get help elsewhere.
3) Mepis, great distro. I wish it were Gnome default, though.
5) Or perhaps next year we could vote for distros that are good for:
"Server" "Cluster" "Router" "<other?>"
and for workstations:
"Unix User" "MS User" "Mac User" and "Grandma(no pc experience)"
 
Old 01-14-2005, 10:58 AM   #294
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I voted Mandrake.

Jeremy
 
Old 01-14-2005, 06:35 PM   #295
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Linspire - the distro that even my mom can use
 
Old 01-14-2005, 06:53 PM   #296
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My mom has messed with Gentoo. She is over 70.

Later

 
Old 01-14-2005, 07:04 PM   #297
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Quote:
Originally posted by elluva
Well, I have the exact same experience with SUSE, but never managed to put it to words that good . I like a distro that isn't prebuilt to the point that you break it if you install something new. Most of the classic distro's like debian, slackware,... are very multipurpose.
Many lot of out of the box distro's now are good if you don't alter to much settings, don't install to much software, don't like that. A thing that I like as well in a distro, is using the standard version of software (e.g. KDE), problem is that if they don't, they break the config files in your homedir.

just some thoughts...
thats what i love about yoper, it takes less time and effort to install than suse or mandrake(if you are quick on the keyboard, you can probably get it done in less than 8 minutes. actual install time is less than 3 minutes). but then it has all the speed advantages of gentoo, has a lot of libraries and development tools and many of the things that the other OOB distros seriously lack.
 
Old 01-14-2005, 08:44 PM   #298
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Linspire is my choice for distro of the year.
 
Old 01-14-2005, 10:36 PM   #299
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PCLinuxOS Preview8. My guess is that most on the forum have not tried PCLinuxOS. This is the most awesome distro of them all, IMO. I'm not going to go through all the reasons why cause I don't have time. I used to use Mepis and I still really like it but all I can say is try PClinuxOS. I can even use suspend if I unplug my power supply and run on batteries before I close the lid on my Thinkpad T22.
This distro is the most underrated of them all. One CD! Run it Live first if you want.
This distro definitely would have gotten more responses if more people tried it.
TRUST ME!
 
Old 01-14-2005, 11:39 PM   #300
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Well HmMMMMM???

Its going to be one of these......

A..Mepis
B..Kanotix
C..PCLinuxOS
D..Linspire


Last edited by wam2000; 01-14-2005 at 11:48 PM.
 
  


 


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