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View Poll Results: Distribution of the Year
Red Hat 178 10.46%
Slackware 448 26.34%
Debian 173 10.17%
Mandrake 276 16.23%
Fedora 95 5.58%
Libranet 27 1.59%
Suse 160 9.41%
Arch 37 2.18%
VectorLinux 8 0.47%
Knoppix 69 4.06%
Gentoo 198 11.64%
LFS 32 1.88%
Voters: 1701. You may not vote on this poll

 
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Old 12-03-2003, 10:02 PM   #166
rshadow
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Quote:
Originally posted by GreenerLinux
No one's mentioned Rock Linux yet. Seems to me that it must be the very best distro in the histrory of life, the universe, and everything because it can be configured completely from the ground up exactly how you like it. I guess that means it's not really a distribution... if you used it and made your own linux though and called it Batman Linux, then Batman Linux would be the best.

By the way, I hate Samba and I'm disappointed there isn't a category for Linux/Windows file & print sharing software so I could find some alternatives.
Gentoo and LFS achive the same thing.
 
Old 12-04-2003, 06:20 AM   #167
cswbww
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Only one question, which really makes me curious~~~

Why people like Gentoo so much? In my own experience, I cannot bare such looooooog compling time. So, I don't understand why it is still popular. Please don't trying to tell me 'good software supporting portage", or sth. like that. Because this indeed does not take any significant advantages over some other distributions, while its installing time is really considerable.
 
Old 12-04-2003, 10:14 AM   #168
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Quote:
Originally posted by cswbww
Only one question, which really makes me curious~~~

Why people like Gentoo so much? In my own experience, I cannot bare such looooooog compling time. So, I don't understand why it is still popular. Please don't trying to tell me 'good software supporting portage", or sth. like that. Because this indeed does not take any significant advantages over some other distributions, while its installing time is really considerable.
No one likes long compile times but everyone loves customization and speed. That's all I have to say.
 
Old 12-04-2003, 10:26 AM   #169
Slayer
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Originally posted by digiot
Apparently you don't find social skills simple. You pull out a post five pages back and criticize the spelling of someone who's native language (based on their 'location' field') isn't English? How's your Dutch?

Let's just leave it a 'rah rah gentoo', huh?
I'll take a chance and say your native language is English. In which case you should know that "criticize the spelling of someone who is native language isn't English" doesn't make any sense. Also, what does any of that have to do with social skills?

Come one, come all to the assumption fair! Don't forget your ignorance hats!
 
Old 12-04-2003, 12:13 PM   #170
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I don't think that spelling and grammar are really all that important on a casual message board like this one. For example, right here we are talking about our favorite distros. If someone says "devine" instead of "divine" I can understand what he means. He gets his point across. Likewise, digiot got his point across when he expressed his annoyance with you over something so trivial. Likewise, you got your point across (both times) that you would rather come here and make fun of people to make you feel better about yourself than come here to discuss the topic, which is our favorite distros. Am I getting MY point across?

Don't bother arguing with me, either. As far as I am concerned, this is the end of it.
 
Old 12-04-2003, 03:37 PM   #171
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Originally posted by Slayer
I'll take a chance and say your native language is English. In which case you should know that "criticize the spelling of someone who is native language isn't English" doesn't make any sense.
Known, noted, and corrected.

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Also, what does any of that have to do with social skills?
While I do know that I incorrectly substituted the contraction in my haste, the fact that you profess ignorance of this subject indicates you'd spend your time more wisely educating yourself rather than correcting others.

Agreed, cbarnes - my last comment, as well.
 
Old 12-04-2003, 07:35 PM   #172
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Old 12-04-2003, 10:25 PM   #173
cswbww
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Quote:
Originally posted by Slayer
No one likes long compile times but everyone loves customization and speed. That's all I have to say.
'customization'? do you think others' combination cannot be involved one by one or customized? Don't tell me you don't need xfree for your linux system and xwindow for your accessing to "LQ". So, just curious again, why 'customization' costs different time?

"speed"? by now, i really cannot find the time dfference between Gentoo and Slack on a PC. Maybe you were referring to PowerPC?

One interesting story I used to quote is:
Suppose, Gentoo costs 4 days more than Slack for installation. It boots up faster than Slack by 30s per time.( need to prove). In other words, I have to boot for 11520 times under Gentoo, which meets with the installation cost compared with Slack. If I boot twice per day( even fewer), it will take 5760 days->>15 years and 9.5 months.
Furthermore, to complie a new software by so-called customization under Gentoo costs 5 hours more than Slack on average. But this time period is long enough for me to find out all possible tar-balls with different distros, even solve the dependence problems.

So, what will the speed be 'speed'? what is the really time 'consuming" with your whole limited life? or, am I crazy? hehe, just a joke I used to think of.
 
Old 12-04-2003, 10:36 PM   #174
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The thing about compiling everything like Gentoo from stage1 is that the entire distro is optimized for your particular hardware making everything run faster, not just boot times. Every program will start a little faster, respond a little faster. Not by much it seems (at least from my own experimenting) but on some machines every little bit might count. I noticed my Gentoo setup is a little faster than Slack, but not enough to make a real difference. Packaged binaries are 'generic' so to speak. They need to install and work on a large variety of hardware, so you might sacrifice some speed there.

I had a lot of fun playing with Gentoo, but in the end I came back to Slack. I played in G for 7 days @ around 8-15 hrs a day. I had a complete working system in the first day, so... While it was neat, it just didn't seem as intuitive as Slackware. Slack seems to make more sense to me at least. After that week, I booted back to Slackware and just felt "at home" so I am back

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Just thought I would add; Gentoo is definitely my 2nd choice. If Pat ceased to maintain Slackware and no one picked it up (and did as good of a job) I would move over to Gentoo
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Last edited by Scruff; 12-04-2003 at 10:39 PM.
 
Old 12-05-2003, 02:29 PM   #175
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i have only tried redhat... it seems that time is nigh to make a shift to slackware.. :-)
 
Old 12-05-2003, 03:01 PM   #176
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So much opinions, so much distro's

Although I use Red Hat at the moment, I really do think that all distro's are great!

Now, some of you will bounce up and off the walls, screaming that i'm just stupid because i never used blahblah linux or whatever... But let's face some reality here: Linux for the masses, Open source for all... Wouldn't that be the perfect world? Unfortunately, my experience is that most users aren't interested in a really fast and stable platform, that on top of that is secure and highly configureable. Most people are interested in playing a game, doing some word processing and whatever they want. Come on people, its an Operating System... Not a religion! (Although it seems to look that way sometimes...)

So, back to my point of view: All distro's are great, it's just a matter of the end user. As long as there are people willing to put a distro together, more and more people will eventually try linux (in whatever shape). That could (or at least should) lead to a much wider acceptance of the OS, and then lead to more and more software for the masses. Isn't that what we all want?

Now, with the risk of being a bit of a lamer: I know wine, and we can run a lot of programs on it, but it's just no windows. And windows is still a much easier OS for the poor people who think that their computer has little goblins in it that makes it all work. And that, my friends, is what makes linux a bit weaker then Microsofts Windows: We focus on the OS too much. Let's focus on what we can do to let people think / know that linux is as easy as windows, and runs faster also, and blahblah... And that is exactly what distro's do!

Thanks for reading this long story, and i believe a poll on distro's is a good initiative. Let the distro builders know what they have accomplished so far! And let them know to keep up the good work!

And i am quite curious about your reactions...

Satch
 
Old 12-06-2003, 01:09 AM   #177
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I love linux because there is a flavor for everyone. If you wanna just install it without a lot of hassle, ya got your Red Hat, Mandrake, or Suse. If ya want the faster, stable, less bloated, you've got your slack and your Gentoo. If you wanna go totally hardcore geek, you have your linux from scratch. Plus there are tons of others for those people who want something a little different. And best of all, it is all free, or at least close to free. If people could either break away from the apparent "norm" or were aware that there is something out there that is just as good as windows, we wouldn't have to worry about the latest game or app coming out for windows, because there would be a market for linux.

And, just a side note: I think right now, anything is more secure than windows. Anything. Leaving your prized possessions out on your porch at night is more secure than windows is. I don't think a lot of computer users that are out on the net realize how dangerous it is.

Anyway, just something to chew on.
 
Old 12-06-2003, 07:09 AM   #178
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Quote:
And i am quite curious about your reactions...
here is mine!
I mostly agree with you, specially:
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Come on people, its an Operating System... Not a religion! (Although it seems to look that way sometimes...)
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And that, my friends, is what makes linux a bit weaker then Microsofts Windows: We focus on the OS too much. Let's focus on what we can do to let people think / know that linux is as easy as windows, and runs faster also, and blahblah... And that is exactly what distro's do!
Good points!!
Regards
 
Old 12-07-2003, 04:01 AM   #179
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Just switched from Redhat because of the route it is taking to Slackware and if my sound works ok on 9.1 then I guess I wont regret my vote otherwise I am finding it groovy.
 
Old 12-10-2003, 04:59 PM   #180
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Gentoo.
I have never tried Slackware, although i would like to try it sometime.
But for now im very happy with gentoo, so ill stick with that.
I just love portage
 
  


 


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