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Originally posted by cbarnes913 Quick question: Why do so many of your favorite distros depend on the way it manages packages? I don't claim to be a linux expert or even a novice, but isn't one of the things linux boasts to be cross platform compatable, and isn't that the advantage of COMPILING software for your own unique machine, and isn't that worth the effort of learning to do it? Linux is a great and powerful operating system, but I don't think I can back up the use of precompiled packages. That is just one of the most non-linux things I can think of. I can understand being frustrated with dependencies, but then wouldn't it make more sense to go to Linux From Scratch? Then you have this wonderful familiarity with your system. You know what's installed on it, you know what isn't installed on it, and therefore, you know what you do need and what you don't need when you want to add new programs just by reading up on the dependencies on the developers site.
Ever tried to uninstall a program/module that you compiled from source?
I did, and I can tell you that it was real nightmare! There are probably still tons of files on my system hanging around, never being used.
I had this experience while trying to install gabber on my RH9 machine. A friend told me it was cool, so I decided to try it.
Started of with the gabber sources, configure told me I first needed something else, I downloaded it, configured it and again needed something else. This went on and on for a while, so that after a while I was wondering "What did I want to do? Oh yes, I was installing gabber."
After having installed tons of tar files, I got locked: install was telling me the module (can't remember which one it was) was installed already (which was correct), but configure said it was not. That was the point where I gave up and said :"I think I can live without gabber. Get rid of it". Being new to Linux, the next question rose: "How?"
A quick google and a Linux expert(!) learned me : "You don't!"
If you are lucky the developer put a uninstall flag in the Makefile, otherwise you can start to dig into Make- and logfiles to find out which file was copied where. I hadn't the courage (neither I have the time) to do that.
Moral : be very careful with what you install on your machine if you want to keep it clean.
For Linux critics : the same problem goes for Windows applications. I can give a thousand examples of commercial software where the uninstall doesn't work.
Well I'm relatively new to Linux and in the past year I've tried RedHat 8, SuSE 8.2, SuSE 9.0 and Slackware 9.1. Whilst all had their good points it's undoubtedly Slackware 9.1 that gets my vote.
Despite initially seeming harder for a new user the fact that I was encouraged to work directly with configuration files and the command line meant that I'm actually learning how GNU/Linux works (with many, many thanks to all the good folk who post here on linuxquestions.org)
Admittedly after the initial installation my CD writer didn't work, my KDE and XFCE desktops were unusable (default monitor resolution too hig and refresh rate too low) But a lot of reading and experimentation later and everything now works a treat. Not only that but KDE now looks gorgeous (now that I know how to set up the X Server to my liking and have got some decent fonts & icons in there !)
But my favourite thing about Slackware was the fact that it doesn't boot to a GUI by default. This really sparked my interest and was the main reason that I actually started to learn what was going on in my system.
Finally, to echo one of the other posters, kudos too to Knoppix. When I go to fix friends Windows problems (which I do often) I always leave a Knoppix CD for them to play with and the feedback's been good !
Yours looking forward to trying my first kernel upgrade (when 2.6 is finalised) and delighted with my Slackware 9.1 box.
After trying Suse 9, mandrake 9.2, redhat 9 and knoppix 3.3 I've returned to my first and still the best, most functional and more complete system, Suse 8. In terms of packages the suse is overwhelming (a little to much, sometimes). In terms of usability suse is again the best.
In suse you can change from windowmaker, to kde, to gnome desktop without having to mess around in your configuration files. The windowmaker in suse is more functional than in mandrake. Suse offers you a lot of managing options that mandrake doesn´t, etc, etc, etc,...
I'm back with Suse and, untill somebody develops a system as complete, funtional and user friendly as Suse, i'm not going to leave it... ;-)
i went with redhat as it's got some power while being user-friendly enough for my family, but i have recently aquired a mac (http://www.apple-history.com/noframe...llery&model=g3) which i have decided to put gentoo on, as i have heard some very good things about it.
don't know about this emerge business though :|
Apparently you don't find social skills simple. You pull out a post five pages back and criticize the spelling of someone whose native language (based on their 'location' field') isn't English? How's your Dutch?