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View Poll Results: Database of the Year
MySQL 405 36.45%
Postgres 269 24.21%
Oracle 25 2.25%
DB2 2 0.18%
Sybase 3 0.27%
Berkley DB 4 0.36%
Firebird 403 36.27%
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Old 11-24-2003, 08:05 PM   #106
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hmmmm.... MySQL lovers read this..... http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html


I had a few laughs reading it..... now if someone asks me about MySQL I'll just say "well it's funny ".... or maybe like one of my friends says...."MySQL is the best flat-text system there is!"

I agree with the guy that said MySQL is a toy...

Firebird rulez!
 
Old 11-24-2003, 09:04 PM   #107
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It would be hypocrite that MySQL as a flat-text dbms will remain as it is just win in the speed arena. Surely, they're heading to where other RDBMS (FB, PostGre, Oracle, etc.) now. But the time span to reach this level will still be a big factor while the others keep on moving...
 
Old 11-24-2003, 09:24 PM   #108
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In case you didn't notice I said it was a flat-text dbms as in a joke.... of course MySQL is more than that...

In version 5.0 MySQL is suppose to have stored procedures and all that but it's like they are putting these "add-ons" on top of something that was built not having them in mind
 
Old 11-25-2003, 03:09 PM   #109
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Quote:
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I agree with the guy that said MySQL is a toy...
I just fail to understand the popularity of MySQL... its not free, and it has very few of the features that database developers really need.

Even before Firebird came around, PostgreSQL had most of the features that MySQL is lacking, and is open-source/free.
 
Old 11-25-2003, 08:05 PM   #110
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How did firebird get that many votes? :)

I've never even heard of it before ;)


PostgreSQL all the way! :D


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so I can vote for PostgreSQL a 100 times ;)
 
Old 11-26-2003, 01:42 AM   #111
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Quote:
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How did firebird get that many votes?

I've never even heard of it before
Well, questions like that tend to say something about those who ask them rather than about Firebird

Interbase (i.e. the beginnings of Firebird) is pretty ancient when compared to Postgres. When Postgres project was started in 1986, Interbase had already been in use in large enterprises for at about 5 years.

Last edited by z_darius; 11-26-2003 at 01:43 AM.
 
Old 11-26-2003, 02:00 AM   #112
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I thought interbase is a reasonably new
borland product :} ... mea culpa.

How come that whoever owns the
name didn't sue borland? Or did they
just buy it?


Cheers,
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Old 11-26-2003, 02:46 AM   #113
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Quote:
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I thought interbase is a reasonably new
borland product :} ... mea culpa.
It's a long story.
Ashton Tate ( remember them - dBase ) bought Interbase as a client/server replacement for dBase, but before anything happened - Borland bought Ashton Tate.
Borland did not seem to know that they had Interbase for some time, and by the time they found out, they had other irons in the fire.
Back in 1999 they decided that there was no future for Interbase, so they announced they were dropping it.
There was such an uprore from a large base of users that they agreed to Open Source it, but before completing that move the accountants decided that closing to was a big mistake and so they announced Interbase7.
BUT by this time there was already a strong base of users working with the Open Source copy - who had fixed a lot of bugs, and so Firebird was established (Since it could not now be called Interbase ) . It rose from the ashes - hence the phoenix site that supported it.
Some of the original Interbase development team are still involved with Firebird today.
Firebird 1.5 is due out any day now and adds even more SQL standard features.
 
Old 11-26-2003, 03:24 AM   #114
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tinkster
I thought interbase is a reasonably new
borland product :} ... mea culpa.
Cheers,
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I didn't intend to sound rough. I apologize if I did.

A side note:
I was "brougth up" on Postgres. The University where I studied computer science could no longer afford outrageous license fees for Oracle, so they decided Postgres would be used instead, using internal support and expertise. Later in my work I started using Delphi which bundled Interbase with the package. I found Interbase easier to use and (at the time) a little ahead of Postgress in SQL compliance.

One wretched thing with Firebird is that if you try it once or twice it's hard to switch back.
You've been warned
 
Old 11-26-2003, 06:35 AM   #115
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How did firebird get that many votes?

I've never even heard of it before
<<


Tink,

Check out the statistics on Sourceforge: 1,141,730 downloads since the project began...

It is not that surprising that many Linux newbies had not heard of Firebird - mostly the publicity around open-source dbs goes to MySQL and PostgreSQL. The SAP db also suffers from a lack of publicity (well, maybe until MySQL got involved financially...).

Firebird users had to actually approach LinuxQuestions to request that Firebird be included in this poll. Until Linux related-sites start to become more proactive (especially sites designed to help newbies), who knows how many great open-source products are being exploited by a band of knowledgeable afficionados?

The amazing thing about Firebird is not just its proven history, its scalability (from being an embedded db to serving gigabytes of data), or its sql compliance... but also the range of (open source and commercial) tools available for it (http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=...ntrib_download)

There are a range of articles by Martin Rennhackkcamp (from 1996) in DBMS Online that compare some of the more advanced features of Interbase with other RDBMS (e.g. domains - http://www.dbmsmag.com/9608d17.html; triggers - http://www.dbmsmag.com/9605d17.html)

Given the lengthy history of Interbase, the high SQL compliance and advanced features of Interbase since the early 90s, the platforms available for Firebird, the truly free nature of Firebird, the number of tools available...
it is no surprise that there is a huge base of Firebird users who are keen to raise the profile of the benefits of this database so that even knowledgeable people such as yourself have yet another choice in open-source databases :-)
 
Old 11-26-2003, 08:37 AM   #116
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Quote:
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How did firebird get that many votes?

I've never even heard of it before
If someone is interested, here is result of similar survey made in Russia last year

http://www.sql.ru/poll/

sorry if post of this kind is qualified as spam at this forum
 
Old 11-26-2003, 04:23 PM   #117
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Thanks guys for the patience and lots of
info ... I'll give it a shot :}



Cheers,
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Old 11-26-2003, 04:58 PM   #118
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Quote:
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p.s.: I seriously consider deleting my LQ cookies
so I can vote for PostgreSQL a 100 times
Do you really think,that it is good idea?
 
Old 11-27-2003, 02:22 AM   #119
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Is it realy that difficult to put a decent database behind online polls and only log a subscriber once

I think this is one of the reasons that polls are simple not taken seriously.
 
Old 11-29-2003, 01:49 PM   #120
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firebird installation

Hello firebird users ....


May I please direct you to this thread and
ask for help? :}

I want to give Firebird a go but can't get
through with the installation....



Cheers,
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