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Old 06-05-2012, 05:26 AM   #31
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And I have noticed that even the hardcore BSD zealots(pardon me) would respect Slackware and Arch's philosophy. That's quite obvious given the similarity among their KISS principle.

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Old 06-05-2012, 07:25 AM   #32
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@TobiSGD So you are saying that you think this is excessive or that a quick Google search shows me that this moderator has edited tens of thousands of posts?
Exactly. You can see how it (sometimes?) work on that forum here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread...fox#post176345
Something like that would never happen here.

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Old 06-05-2012, 07:58 AM   #33
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Exactly. You can see how it (sometimes?) work on that forum here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread...fox#post176345
Something like that would never happen here.
Ha!
I've seen that some time before. What a wonderful way to keep a forum "moderated" and help rookies in starting - Chuck them.

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Old 06-05-2012, 10:30 AM   #34
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I think that trying FreeBSD may be a nice learning experience and I still have to try it (in a serious way), but I would rather ask here for help if I try it than in their forum with that ridiculous moderator that seems to have nothing more to do than to sit in front of the computer searching for spelling/grammar errors in the posts the whole day. I couldn't stand that more than a few minutes.
I've "known" DutchDaemon through forum interactions starting at the (now defunct) bsdforums, then daemonforums.org, and now forums.freebsd.org. FWIW, he is a very knowledgeable sysadmin. For moderation, he has his ideas about how to keep things tidy and useful, so that's just how it works there.

If that will make you crazy, daemonforums.org really is a good spot. It's a small forum (in terms of total members), but the folks who hang around there are extremely knowledgeable in both FreeBSD and OpenBSD. (There is a tiny group of sharp NetBSD folks who pop in from time to time.)

Keep in mind that the communities there are very different than LQ. The general attitude places much higher value on precision and efficient use of (reader/poster) time over things like forgiveness and patience.
 
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:29 AM   #35
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Keep in mind that the communities there are very different than LQ. The general attitude places much higher value on precision and efficient use of (reader/poster) time over things like forgiveness and patience.
I realize that. The question is, if that is a good thing. Basically it means that they drive away anyone from using BSD (and may be contributing with code) that is not able to write proper English. It seems to be like "We don't care if you are a genius in coding, as long as you can't write proper English posts you are not welcome on the official FreeBSD forum."
I doubt that this is without harm to the community.
But anyways, when I have some spare time I will definitely give it a try, the FreeBSD ISO is already in the download queue.
 
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:04 PM   #36
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The irony about that moderator is that he corrects everyones english so non-english speakers can translate it easier but, then goes off on a tangent and starts replying to people in various languages in this post. Abuse of power?

I just wonder how many people have been put off FreeBSD because of this?
 
Old 06-05-2012, 04:54 PM   #37
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I realize that. The question is, if that is a good thing. Basically it means that they drive away anyone from using BSD (and may be contributing with code) that is not able to write proper English. It seems to be like "We don't care if you are a genius in coding, as long as you can't write proper English posts you are not welcome on the official FreeBSD forum."
I doubt that this is without harm to the community.
I really don't know. It is what it is. There is a lower signal-to-noise ratio there, but there are also substantially less users. (Cause and effect is not always straightforward.)

Do check out daemonforums.org, as nixblog and I mentioned, if you'd like. I have also found that the freebsd-questions mailing list contains some exceptionally sharp and helpful individuals.


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But anyways, when I have some spare time I will definitely give it a try, the FreeBSD ISO is already in the download queue.
Once you have it installed, I recommend reading Michael W. Lucas' "Absolute FreeBSD". It will answer a lot of questions, and give you a solid grasp of the OS. (Of course, there is the handbook and the FAQ, but those act more as reference.)

I haven't run a FreeBSD desktop for years now, but I know there are at least a couple posters at LQ who do (including occasional visitor vermaden, who is very sharp). If you're going to be running a server, there are a lot of questions I should be able to speak to if they're posted in *BSD.
 
Old 06-06-2012, 04:21 AM   #38
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I just wonder how many people have been put off FreeBSD because of this?
Certainly wasn't and will not be the case for me. I have felt "wtf" seeing unjustified Linux* bashing and discouraging by some mo(nkeys)derators with tools, but that will not hamper my motivation to learn an OS based on the roots of the original UNIX.

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Old 06-06-2012, 03:16 PM   #39
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Looks like NetFlix are using FreeBSD.
 
Old 06-06-2012, 03:28 PM   #40
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Very cool!
 
Old 06-06-2012, 04:11 PM   #41
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That's all well and good but they don't want their users to use it.
Personally I'd have more respect for them if they used Windows and let their customers use whichever OS they liked, but that's straying OT.
 
Old 06-06-2012, 04:34 PM   #42
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I just wonder how many people have been put off FreeBSD because of this?
He edited one of my posts today, and as near as I can tell it was a formatting issue. This does indeed put me off and I am considering posting my displeasure in the Feedback section of that site. I have never seen this level of interference in other *nix forums. I probably will not post anything as I really like most of the people over there (first rate forum!).
 
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I find his editing more of an annoyance than anything else but if the FreeBSD forum users are happy with it then so be it. The people at that forum are, as you say, first rate - just as they are at Daemon Forums too. I guess if you post your thoughts in the feedback section, he will no doubt edit it
 
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Old 06-06-2012, 07:00 PM   #44
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I guess if you post your thoughts in the feedback section, he will no doubt edit it
Haha, no doubt about that.
No I won't do that; I was just venting here. As you say the people are happy with the forum as it is so I will just live with it.

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Old 06-17-2012, 04:33 PM   #45
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That abusive editing is the one thing that puts me off joining the FreeBSD forums. I have been meaning to give FreeBSD 9.0 another attempt for a while now, so thanks for the link to http://www.daemonforums.org/
 
  


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